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昨天,遇见两位 Mormonism 的 Elder,谈论到 APOSTASY,他们认为先知 Joseph Smith 恢复了教会权柄(Authorised of The Church),并且我们需要一位先知来替我们进行救赎/赎罪(ATONEMENT)的工作。否则我们无法与天父上帝和好,因为他们认为当使徒逐渐离世以后,这教会的权柄也逐渐失去,必须靠先知 Joseph Smith 来恢复教会的权柄。
请详细解说:
1. 对于 APOSTASY,有何见解?
2. 我们还需要有人替我们进行救赎/赎罪(ATONEMENT)?
3. Joseph Smith 是先知吗?
[ 本帖最后由 alano2341 于 23-11-2005 03:20 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 16-11-2005 01:09 AM
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醒醒
其实只有心灵空虚的人类才需要宗教的
干嘛不相信自己
人定胜天这句话又意味什么?
不是真能胜天但这是人类最能发挥极限的一句激励人的话。
基督真能保你吗?不过是人类本身心理的一种神奇的激素而已。
只有宗教就能和平吗?不见得,看看基督和伊斯兰教还是对立的,流血不停。
所以只要相信自己,自己才是自己的神。
做不到?那是不够坚强,所以更要做你自己的耶稣咯,这样打救了自己说不定也
能救了别人。
宗教只能说是一种媒介但也不能被他所左右,太过相信只会造成自己的心蒙蔽了。
要站在旁边看才能看清楚,所谓旁观者清 |
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发表于 16-11-2005 04:38 PM
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Apostasy
1. A condition of spiritual withdrawal from our Father in Heaven.
2. A period of time when the priesthood and the gospel of Jesus Christ in its fulness were not on the earth.
Atonement
The suffering and death of Jesus Christ, through which resurrection is provided to all mortals and eternal life is offered to those who have faith in Christ and repent of their sins.
Source: http://www.mormon.org/glossary/0,10233,1445-1-A,00.html
Apostasy
A general falling away from the truth occurred after the death of Christ’s Apostles. This is called the Apostasy.
When Jesus Christ lived on the earth, He established His Church. After His Ascension into heaven, His Apostles carried on His work under His direction, through revelation and with His priesthood authority.
After the Apostles and many righteous Church members were killed and other members departed from the truth, the Lord took the priesthood authority and His Church from the earth. Without God’s priesthood authority, the Church no longer functioned as Christ had established it. The ordinances were changed and many plain and simple truths were lost. While many good people and some truth remained, the original Church was lost.
The Apostles prophesied of the falling away or Apostasy. One example is Paul’s letter to the Thessalonians (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3).
Source: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,844-1,00.html
Restoration
The Apostle Peter prophesied of the “restitution of all things” before Christ’s Second Coming (Acts 3:19–21). Having been lost because of the Apostasy, Christ’s Church and His authority were to be restored to the earth. This Restoration would make available the opportunity for all to receive once again all of the blessings of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Joseph Smith’s First Vision marked the beginning of the Restoration of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the earth. In subsequent years, Christ restored His priesthood and reorganized His Church. He has continued to reveal truths to His prophets and to restore the blessings that were taken from the earth for a time.
Souece: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,958-1,00.html
Atonement
It is impossible to put into words the full meaning of the Atonement, which is the most important event in the history of the world. Through His suffering in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross, the Savior atoned for our sins. This is the good news for all people!
We can’t fully understand how Jesus suffered for our sins. But we know that in the Garden of Gethsemane, the weight of our sins caused Him to feel such agony that He bled from every pore (Luke 22:39–44).
Later, as He hung upon the cross, Jesus willingly suffered painful death by one of the most cruel methods ever known.
The Savior tells us:
For behold, I . . . have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer . . . even as I. [Doctrine and Covenants 19:16–17]
Jesus Christ did what only He could do in atoning for our sins. To make His Atonement fully effective in our individual lives, we must have faith in Christ, repent of our sins, be baptized, receive the Holy Ghost, obey God's commandments, and strive to become like Him. As we do these things through His Atonement, we can return to live with Him and our Heavenly Father forever.
Souece: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,889-1,00.html
How can I be forgiven of my sins?
You can be forgiven of your sins through the Atonement of Jesus Christ by the process of repentance. Because Heavenly Father knew we would sometimes make wrong choices, He provided a way for us to be forgiven of our sins (John 3:16). He provided a Savior, Jesus Christ, who suffered for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the cross so that when we sincerely repent, we can be forgiven (Book of Mormon, Mosiah 4:6).
When we sincerely repent, we:
Confess the sin to both God and anyone who has been harmed by our sin.
Ask forgiveness from God and from anyone we have harmed.
When possible, repair the damage we have done.
Forsake our sins.
Strive to keep the commandments.
Sincere repentance brings peace and forgiveness. God has promised, “Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more” (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42).
Source: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,890-1,00.html
1. Why is the ATONEMENT necessary?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://scriptures.lds.org/alma/34)
V9. For it is expedient that an aatonement• should be made; for according to the great bplan• of the Eternal God there must be an atonement made, or else all mankind must unavoidably perish; yea, all are hardened; yea, all are cfallen and are lost, and must perish except it be through the atonement which it is expedient should be made.
2. How does the ATONEMENT and Gospel help me?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://scriptures.lds.org/alma/34)
V16. And thus amercy can satisfy the demands of bjustice, and encircles them in the arms of safety, while he that exercises no faith unto repentance is exposed to the whole law of the demands of cjustice•; therefore only unto him that has faith unto repentance is brought about the great and eternal dplan of eredemption.
3. What is the purpose of life?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://scriptures.lds.org/alma/34)
V37. And now, my beloved brethren, I desire that ye should remember these things, and that ye should awork• out your salvation with fear before God, and that ye should no more deny the coming of Christ;
V38. That ye acontend no more against the Holy Ghost, but that ye receive it, and take upon you the bname• of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and cworship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in dthanksgiving• daily, for the many emercies• and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
V39. Yea, and I also aexhort• you, my brethren, that ye be bwatchful unto prayer continually, that ye may not be led away by the ctemptations of the devil, that he may not overpower you, that ye may not become his subjects at the last day; for behold, he rewardeth you dno• good thing.
V40. And now my beloved brethren, I would exhort you to have apatience, and that ye bear with all manner of bafflictions; that ye do not crevile against those who do cast you out because of your dexceeding• poverty, lest ye become sinners like unto them;
V41. But that ye have apatience, and bear with those bafflictions•, with a firm hope that ye shall one day rest from all your afflictions.
4. How can I know the TRUTH?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF MORONI, CHAPTER 10(Source: http://scriptures.lds.org/moro/10)
V3. Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how amerciful• the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and bponder• it in your chearts•.
V4. And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would aask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not btrue•; and if ye shall ask with a csincere heart, with dreal• intent, having efaith in Christ, he will fmanifest the gtruth• of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.
V5. And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may aknow• the btruth• of all things. |
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发表于 16-11-2005 05:48 PM
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Apostasy 叛教
1. 靈性上背離天父的狀態。
2. 當聖職與耶穌基督豐滿的福音不在世上的那段時間。
Atonement 贖罪
耶穌基督的受苦和死亡,藉此全人類才得以復活,而那些對基督有信心並悔改自己的罪的人將獲得永生。
Source: http://www.mormon.org/glossary/0,10233,1445-38-A,00.html
Apostasy 叛教
基督的使徒逝世後,真理普遍喪失。這情形就稱為叛教。
耶穌基督在世時,成立了祂教會。祂升天後,祂的使徒在祂的指導下,透過啟示及祂的聖職權柄來繼續達成祂的事工。
在使徒及許多正義的教友紛遭殺害,而其他一些教友又遠離真理的情況下,主把聖職權柄和祂的教會從世上收回。一旦失去了神的聖職權柄,教會就不再像基督所建立時的那樣運作。教儀遭到了更改,而許多明白、簡單的真理也都喪失了。雖然仍有許多善良的人們和某些真理存在,然而原始的教會已不復存在。
使徒已預言了這樣的叛離或叛教。保羅寫給帖撒羅尼迦人的信就是其中的一個例子(帖撒羅尼迦後書2:1-3)。
Source: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,844-38,00.html
Restoration 復興
使徒彼得預言在基督第二次來臨之前,必會「萬物復興」(使徒行傳3:19-21)。由於叛教,基督的教會及權柄都已消失,有待復興到世上。這項復興讓所有的人都有機會再次接受耶穌基督福音所有的祝福。
斯密約瑟的第一次異象顯示出耶穌基督的福音開始復興到世界上了。在接下來的幾年,基督復興了祂的權柄並重新組織祂的教會。祂持續地啟示真理給祂的先知,並且復興一度從世上被取走的祝福。
Souece: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1288-38,00.html
Atonement 贖罪
贖罪的完整意義遠非言語所能形容,這是人類歷史中最重大的事。救主透過祂在客西馬尼園及十字架上所受的苦來為我們贖罪。這是給所有世人的大好信息!
我們無法全然瞭解耶穌如何為我們的罪受苦。但是我們知道,在客西馬尼園,因我們的罪造成的重擔使祂痛苦萬分,甚至每個毛孔都流血(路加福音22:39-44)。
後來,當耶穌被釘上十字架,祂自願以最殘酷而痛苦的方式死去。
救主告訴我們:
因為看啊,我,. . . 已為所有的人遭受這些事,……他們就不會.. . 像我那樣受苦。[教義和聖約19:16-17]
耶穌基督完成了唯有祂能夠做到的事,就是為我們贖罪。為了使祂的贖罪在我們的生命中完全發揮力量,我們必須對基督有信心、悔改我們的罪、受洗、接受聖靈、服從神的誡命,並努力變得像祂一樣。當我們透過祂的贖罪做到這些事,就可以回去與祂及天父永遠同住。
Souece: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,889-38,00.html
How can I be forgiven of my sins? 我的罪如何得到寬恕?
在悔改的過程中,透過耶穌基督的贖罪,你的罪就能獲得寬恕。由於天父知道我們有時候會作出錯誤的選擇,因此提供一個方法,讓我們的罪獲得寬恕(約翰福音3:16)。祂為我們預備救主耶穌基督,基督為我們的罪在客西馬尼園及十字架上受苦,因此,只要我們真心悔改,就可以獲得寬恕(摩門經,摩賽亞書4:6)。
當我們真心悔改時,我們會:
向神以及因我們的罪而受到傷害的人認錯。
祈求神和我們所傷害的人寬恕我們。
儘可能彌補我們所造成的傷害。
棄罪。
努力遵守誡命。
真心悔改會帶來平安及寬恕。神已經應許:「看啊,已經悔改他的罪的人,他就被赦免,並且我,主,不再記住那罪」(教義和聖約58:42)。
Source: http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,890-38,00.html
1. Why is the ATONEMENT necessary?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5165/bom/bom.htm)
V9. 因為一項贖罪的作成是必須的;因為按照永恆之神的徫大計劃,必須作成一項贖罪,否則全人類一定都不能避免滅亡;是的,全人類都已頑強了;都巳墜落和迷失了,除非藉著那必須作成的贖罪,全人類一定都要滅亡。
2. How does the ATONEMENT and Gospel help me?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5165/bom/bom.htm)
V16. 這樣慈悲就好滿足公道的各項要求,並將他們圍攬在安全的手臂中,而那不運用信心來悔改的人,則要暴露於公道所要求的全部律法下;所以那偉大而永恆的救贖計劃,只是帶給那具有信心而悔改的人的。
3. What is the purpose of life?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF ALMA, THE SON OF ALMA, CHAPTER 34 (Source: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5165/bom/bom.htm)
V37. 現在,我所愛的弟兄們,我極希望你們要記住這些事,並須在神前戰戰兢兢,努力做成你們的得救,還希望你們不要再否認基督的來臨;
V38. 希望你們不要再和聖靈鬥爭,卻要接受他,並承受基督的名;希望你們要謙抑自己,甚至接觸到塵埃,並在任何你們所處的地方,用心F真正地崇拜神;並希望你們要為了他所施予你們的許多憐憫和祝福而每天生活於感恩中。
V39. 我的弟兄們,我也勸告你們,你們要注意經常禱告,使你們不至被魔鬼的誘惑誘入了歧途,不至被他所支配,不至在末日成為他的屬民;因為他沒有好東西酬報你們的。
V40. 我所愛的弟兄們,我勸你們要有耐心,要忍受種種的苦難;不要辱罵那些因為你們非常貧窮而將你們趕出的人們,免得成為像他們一樣的罪人;
V41. 你們卻要有耐心,用一種你們終有一天會從一切苦難中得到安息的堅定的希望,來忍受那些苦難。
4. How can I know the TRUTH?
Book of Mormon, THE BOOK OF MORONI, CHAPTER 10(Source: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5165/bom/bom.htm)
V3. 我要勸告你們,如果神的大智要你們讀這些,你們讀的時候,你們要記住,並在你們的心中仔細地恩量,從創造亞當到你們蒙得這些時,主對人類兒女一直是多麼的慈悲。
V4. 當你們蒙得這些時,我勸告你們要奉基督的名求問神,那位永恆之父,這些是否真黨的;如果你們用真心誠意來求問,有著對基督的信心,他必藉著聖靈的力量,對你們顯明這些事情的真實性。
V5. 藉著聖靈的力量,你們可以知道一切事情的真實性。 |
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发表于 16-11-2005 11:19 PM
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我读了以上的文章一遍,mormon都没提到先知可以替我们赎罪呀!先知是传达神的信息而已。楼主应该误会Elders的意思了吧。我有研究Mormon的哦!我每次去美国都会研究Mormon的。据我所知,他们并没有说先知替我们赎罪哦!不要误会哦楼主!
[ 本帖最后由 sy2003 于 16-11-2005 11:29 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 17-11-2005 12:09 AM
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原帖由 sy2003 于 16-11-2005 11:19 PM 发表
我读了以上的文章一遍,mormon都没提到先知可以替我们赎罪呀!先知是传达神的信息而已。楼主应该误会Elders的意思了吧。我有研究Mormon的哦!我每次去美国都会研究Mormon的。据我所知,他们并没有说先知替我们赎罪 ...
或许吧!否则我不必在此发问了...
那么,Mormon's ATONEMENT 是指什么呢?又由谁来做呢?我们需要 ATONEMENT 吗?
请赐教... |
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其实Mormon和其他教会的一般教导是一样的。Atonement就是"救属"的意思。他们也相信,只有Jesus Christ才能把我们从罪恶中救出来,洗净我们的罪。
Jesus Christ已被钉在十字架上为我们死,他就是我们的救属主。以前的人(BC时代),人们要宰动物献给上帝,AC,Jesus为我们死后,我们凡事,可通过JC请求上帝帮忙,JC的圣名来祈求上帝。换句话说,JC就是我们与神的桥梁。通过JC,我们与神和好。
Mormon与其他教派最大的不同点是,他们相信:神的启示不会停留在JC时代,现今21世纪,神还是会通过prophet来传扬他的话。也就是说,圣经是以前先知的话,现在依旧有先知的存在,所以,神的话还会从圣经延续下去,也就是Book of Mormon,Doctrinne and Covenant 及 Pearl of Great Price。 这些都是圣经时代过后,后代先知所纪录的圣经延续本。
很多教派因为认为神的话只是圣经,不会增加,不会减少,就不承认Mormonism。并认为他们是Cult。
是不是cult,就向神祷告,多观察,多研究,自己去体会吧。
我现在在South America,和Malaysia时间日夜颠倒,有什么问题,再发贴吧,如果可以解答,就回贴,不然问你的Elders,或叫他写下你不懂的,然后在这里问吧。
我所回答的,是以我之前的参与与考查,以及之前在Mormonism所学,并没代表本人立场。 |
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发表于 17-11-2005 05:20 PM
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原帖由 sy2003 于 17-11-2005 03:04 AM 发表
其实Mormon和其他教会的一般教导是一样的。Atonement就是"救属"的意思。他们也相信,只有Jesus Christ才能把我们从罪恶中救出来,洗净我们的罪。
Jesus Christ已被钉在十字架上为我们死,他就是我们的救属主 ...
这来临 Sunday,我会再见他们的 Elder,所以,我会要求他们给以更详细的解说,那时,我再拿出来讨论。谢谢你的解释/说。10Q. |
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发表于 18-11-2005 01:52 AM
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Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. |
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发表于 18-11-2005 01:58 AM
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Mormon与其他教派最大的不同点是,他们相信:神的启示不会停留在JC时代,现今21世纪,神还是会通过prophet来传扬他的话。
和这句
Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
20He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming soon."
Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.
的分别是什么?
是Messenger,或是prophet?或是through the Holy Spirit? |
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发表于 18-11-2005 02:06 PM
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圣经 与 摩门经
原帖由 金次郎 于 18-11-2005 01:52 AM 发表
Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes wor ...
摩门经 并不是圣经,所以,这段经文不起作用。 |
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发表于 21-11-2005 01:14 PM
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原帖由 金次郎 于 18-11-2005 01:52 AM 发表
Revelation 22
18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes wor ...
Revelation of John 22:18
(RSV)I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
(KJV)For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(新译本 - NCVs)我警告所有听见这书上预言的人:如果有人在这些预言上加添什么, 神必把写在这书上的灾难加在他身上。 19如果有人从这书上的预言删减什么, 神必从这书上所记的生命树和圣城删去他的分。
(和合本 - CUVs)我向一切听见这书上预言的作见證,若有人在这预言上加添甚么,神必将写在这书上的灾祸加在他身上;19这书上的预言,若有人删去甚么,神必从这书上所写的生命树和圣城删去他的分。
this book 这书 - 在这里所指的书(BOOK)是什么书?
Revelation of John 约翰启示录?还是
Bible 圣经?
所以...Book of Mormon 是对的吗? |
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发表于 21-11-2005 11:44 PM
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发表于 22-11-2005 03:52 AM
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原帖由 alano2341 于 21-11-2005 01:14 PM 发表
Revelation of John 22:18
(RSV)I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues descri ...
我警告所有听见这书上预言的人:如果有人在这些预言上加添什么, 神必把写在这书上的灾难加在他身上。 19如果有人从这书上的预言删减什么, 神必从这书上所记的生命树和圣城删去他的分。
那么神是整本圣经吗? |
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发表于 22-11-2005 09:24 AM
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alano2341 :
尽然你特别邀请, 我自好尝试了, 其实我对摩门教的了解并不多,
因你之请, 我尽管尝试了, 解错了, 还待你指正。。。
1. 对于 APOSTASY,有何见解?
Apostasy 叛教
当然, 我身为天主教徒,当然我不会承认,主把聖職權柄和祂的教會從世上收回,
也不明白此学说的来源, 但我觉得在某方面来说, 摩门教在某方面和天主教有着共同的看法,
就是教会的聖職權柄, 但我坚定的另一理由是, 天主的教导也就是传承, 在耶稣诞生前的几千年, 就已经有预言他的降生, 而他的诞生也满全了旧约中的预言, 从此处可看出天主是一位按部就班的天主, 而他决不会突然的作某件事, 而天主教会的确经过黑暗时期的洗礼, 就如当年的以民, 多次的毁约而天主还是派遣了先知把他们带了回来, 教会原本就是罪恶的, 因为教会的本身就是人, 但因基督的牺牲, 我们才有机会回到父那里。。。。 但主绝不会朝三暮四的, 半路又杀出一个程咬金来。。。。
2. 我们还需要有人替我们进行救赎/赎罪(ATONEMENT)?
我不懂在摩门教里, 如何的解释“需要有人替我们进行救赎/赎罪”
但在天主教的观点上, 神职就有如此的权威, 但这权威并不在他身上, 而是背后的天主
如以礼仪的角度来看, 个人觉得是挺美的。。。。
神学观上的三角
天主里的, 父, 子和圣神,
我们家庭里的, 夫妻与孩子,
教会里的, 天主, 教会与我,
世界里的天主, 世界与我。。。。
在观点上, 教会就是世界, 世界就是教会
天主教徒在办告诫(和好圣事)时, 就是和代表天主与教会(人/世界)的神职(神父)和好。
因为在我们犯罪时, 我们就是残害了我们的肢体, 也就是和教会脱离了关系, 同时也得罪了天主
而这三位一体的观念正是一体性的。。。 如果与人不和好, 一样的与神也不会。。。
。。。 对不起, 是不是解释的很模糊?? 表达能力有待改善 哈哈!
3. Joseph Smith 是先知吗?
我觉得“不是”, 也没法子是! |
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发表于 22-11-2005 09:31 AM
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对不起! 我智慧有限, 不能做到很详细的解释, 但我坚信,基督建立了他的教会于世上,
如果基督建立的教会,不能像他当年对伯多路(Peter)所许下承诺,
那基督信仰就不会是基督信仰了。。 也不需要是了。。。。
算了。。 越说越模糊。。 越模糊越乱。。 :)
不说了!我就抛砖引玉, 听听其他高手们的见解吧,
[ 本帖最后由 alpio 于 22-11-2005 09:35 AM 编辑 ] |
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原帖由 sy2003 于 22-11-2005 12:10 AM 发表
唉哟,有人换新名字咯。。。。哈哈
因为金兄引用了约翰的启示录,那么就借机发问、发问...
可惜没有更 Elder 谈/见面...无法问... |
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发表于 22-11-2005 10:40 AM
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原帖由 金次郎 于 22-11-2005 03:52 AM 发表
我警告所有听见这书上预言的人:如果有人在这些预言上加添什么, 神必把写在这书上的灾难加在他身上。 19如果有人从这书上的预言删减什么, 神必从这书上所记的生命树和圣城删去他的分。
那么神是整本圣经吗?
不是。
虽然圣经是记载着神的话语,事迹,然而这只是人类所能理解的部分。而许多隐秘的事并没记载在圣经里。
所以,当使徒约翰把天上的启示写下来的时候,应该是指这“启示录”而言,因为当时新约还未完成收集所有目前所使用的27本书。所以“这书”不该说成圣经(新/旧约)。当时的圣经其实是指旧约39本/46本(LXX)而已,并不包括新约。 |
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发表于 22-11-2005 11:04 AM
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原帖由 alpio 于 22-11-2005 09:24 AM 发表
alano2341 :
尽然你特别邀请, 我自好尝试了, 其实我对摩门教的了解并不多,
因你之请, 我尽管尝试了, 解错了, 还待你指正。。。
1. 对于 APOSTASY,有何见解?
Apostasy 叛教
当然, 我身 ...
谢谢你的回答。感激不尽。
我正是想知道天主教的看法。
虽然天主教的某些教导,我并不能接受,然而有许多教导是新教无法理解的。特别在解读经文时所注意的一些背景,传承等。
除了旧约多了7本书,在救恩上有些附加条件以外,我个人认为新教在许多地方都比不上天主教(我不是在拍马屁),然而都是主耶稣按立的教会,谁也不该批评谁。Rite? |
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发表于 22-11-2005 11:13 AM
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alano2341 :
不用客气, 我不过把我所了解的, 给大伙分享!
的确! 谈论到圣经的检定和延续, 这方面新教派可能比较难以讨论,
因为新教派的开始就原自已经过鉴定的圣经本身。。。
但在福传方面, 新教肯定比天主教成熟多了, 不管在使命感还是行动上, 都远远的抛离了天主教
我也想听听你分享, 对于天主教你不能接受的教导。。。 |
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