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感恩节其实是杀人流血,灭绝人性的【传统】与历史

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感恩节其实是杀人流血,灭绝人性的【传统】与历史

我火滚到想骂粗话,甚至咒骂了。因为感恩节的【历史意义】并不像传说中,为了感恩的——乃是当年清教徒徒杀印地安人之后,自我【美化的】流人血的历史。因为清教徒是——忘恩负义的【毒蛇的种类】,披着羊皮的狼。他妈的


以下是某一篇关于讲述【美国开国神话】之中,有关感恩节的历史考证的【论述转载】。我要看看——基督教是不是看了之后,自圆其说,活在自己世界的【窝囊废】哈哈


了解真正的美国好文一篇:美国的开国神话
 
来源: flyer 于 2016-01-13 22:45:45
作者:王孟源


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美國的自由放任制度向來都有極强的自我美化功能。美国的感恩節,它的故事每個美國人耳熟能詳,是美國的開國神話,簡單來説是這樣的:十七世紀前期,剛到麻省不久的清教徒終於有了豐盛的收穫/補給,於是辦了一個大的慶祝會,以感謝上帝的賜予,還邀請了鄰近的印第安部落來一起享用火鷄和其他美國東北部的佳餚


然而這個版本其實是近400年來不斷編造修改的結果,嚴肅的歷史考證(參見http://www.manataka.org/page269.htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/ri ... anksg_b_788436.html)早已挖掘出了真相,衹是當然永遠進不了教科書(同樣的史實,搜索”感恩節“找不到,必須搜”Mystic Massacre“,”Mystic 大屠殺“)真正的事實這樣的:清教徒在英國拒絕接受英國國教的管轄,出逃到荷蘭;過了幾年覺得小孩們快要變成荷蘭人了,於是又想另謀出路。這剛好在第一批英國移民到Virginia建立Jamestown殖民地(Pocahontas的故事就在那裏發生)後幾年,雖然Jamestown結局頗爲悲慘(最近挖出一個年輕女孩遺體,有明顯被燒烤啃食痕跡)這群清教徒卻不知道或不在乎,還是雇了一艘Mayflower的英國貨船渡過大西洋,在1620年十一月到了麻省的Plymouth。爲壯聲勢,他們自稱爲Pilgrims,亦即朝聖者,其實他們是宗教難民,麻省當然也沒有什麽Holy Place可以朝聖。


這一百多名Pilgrims并不是野外求生專家,連農民很少,大部分是城裏人。一旦到了Plymouth,百廢待舉,能真正種田獵獸的卻不多,所以雖然當地的物產豐富,印第安人也很友善,他們仍然有一頓沒一頓地過日子。承續吹口哨壯膽的傳統,他們經常舉行“宗教性”禁食(Fasting),實際的原因是沒有東西可吃。禁食長度視需要從一天到幾天不等。等到終於足夠的食物開伙,這群宗教狂熱份子還要藉機搞一個宗教儀式,他們叫做Thanksgiving,這就是“感恩”這個詞匯最早的由來。當時的感恩餐并沒有火鷄、玉米或紅莓,基本衹是一兩個馬鈴薯,頂多加上一條魚


幾年之後,歐洲來的移民越來越多,生活水準步上正軌,禁食日少了,感恩餐豐富了,他們開始驅逐印第安人以擴大自己的地盤。1637年,麻省派出幾百名志願民兵攻擊了曾經抵抗殖民地擴張的Pequot族印第安人的主聚落(在今康州東部的Mystic,我住的鎮也有街道和地標以Pequot命名),把700多名住民,包括老弱婦孺,屠殺殆盡。他們勝利凱旋之後,麻省的州長宣佈全州放假一天,慶祝Thanksgiving Day,這是第一次官方所定的感恩節。它并不在十一月,而是五月,美國的教科書也根本不提這事,衹有印第安人在1970年開始每年舉行一次追悼會


1890年,Harrison總統下令明定十一月最後的星期四爲感恩節(後來小羅斯福把它改爲十一月的第四個星期四),同年出版一本《Thanksgiving Story》才第一次編造出所謂感恩節是清教徒和印第安人共同享受盛宴的神話,因爲它讓美國民衆自我感覺良好,很快地傳遍全國,成爲人人皆知的“常識”。民主制度下的常識和共識,向來都是以自我感覺良好爲第一優先,事實與邏輯衹是極少數憂鬱人士的古樸執著

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发表于 17-1-2016 10:47 PM | 显示全部楼层
嚴肅的歷史考證(參見http://www.manataka.org/page269.html和http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ri ... anksg_b_788436.html)早已挖掘出了真相,衹是當然永遠進不了教科書



抱歉,
這兩網址所舉的, 全不是嚴肅的歷史考證。



當然永遠進不了教科書

無依無據, 無考古助証的市井流言,
當然不可入教科書, 教壞人了。



http://www.manataka.org/page269.html
這網址的作者 Susan Bates。。。。何許人也, 
完全没有歷史, 考古學的背景,
三姑六婆的級數,

拿出一點智慧罷, 拜託
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 楼主| 发表于 19-1-2016 03:39 PM | 显示全部楼层
beechan 发表于 17-1-2016 10:47 PM
抱歉,
這兩網址所舉的, 全不是嚴肅的歷史考證。

如果您觉得不是严肃的历史,您就不要像个【意识形态】基督教徒,为了反对而反对

难道您是历史学教授?

还是因为您没有按进去网页,或者看不懂【英文】,所以才——自作主张的【判死刑】相关的历史知识及其研究?


您心术不正
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greener/the-true-story-of-thanksg_b_788436.html


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The True Story Of ThanksgivingPosted: 11/25/2010 10:04 am EST Updated: 11/17/2011 9:02 am EST





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The idea of the American Thanksgiving feast is a fairly recent fiction. The idyllic partnership of 17th Century European Pilgrims and New England Indians sharing a celebratory meal appears to be less than 120 years-old. And it was only after the First World War that a version of such a Puritan-Indian partnership took hold in elementary schools across the American landscape. We can thank the invention of textbooks and their mass purchase by public schools for embedding this "Thanksgiving" image in our modern minds. It was, of course, a complete invention, a cleverly created slice of cultural propaganda, just another in a long line of inspired nationalistic myths.
The first Thanksgiving Day did occur in the year 1637, but it was nothing like our Thanksgiving today. On that day the Massachusetts Colony Governor, John Winthrop, proclaimed such a "Thanksgiving" to celebrate the safe return of a band of heavily armed hunters, all colonial volunteers. They had just returned from their journey to what is now Mystic, Connecticut where they massacred 700 Pequot Indians. Seven hundred Indians - men, women and children - all murdered.
This day is still remembered today, 373 years later. No, it's been long forgotten by white people, by European Christians. But it is still fresh in the mind of many Indians. A group calling themselves the United American Indians of New England meet each year at Plymouth Rock on Cole's Hill for what they say is a Day of Mourning. They gather at the feet of a stature of Chief Massasoit of the Wampanoag to remember the long gone Pequot. They do not call it Thanksgiving. There is no football game afterward.
How then did our modern, festive Thanksgiving come to be? It began with the greatest of misunderstandings, a true clash of cultural values and fundamental principles. What are we thankful for if not - being here, living on this land, surviving and prospering? But in our thankfulness might we have overlooked something? Look what happened to the original residents who lived in the area of New York we have come to call Brooklyn. A group of them called Canarsees obligingly, perhaps even eagerly, accepted various pieces of pretty colored junk from the Dutchman Peter Minuet in 1626. These trinkets have long since been estimated to be worth no more than 60 Dutch guilders at the time - $24 dollars in modern American money. In exchange, the Canarsees "gave" Peter Minuet the island of Manhattan. What did they care? They were living in Brooklyn.
Of course, all things - especially commercial transactions - need to be viewed in perspective. The nearly two-dozen tribes of Native Americans living in the New York area in those days had a distinctly non-European concept of territorial rights. They were strangers to the idea of "real property." It was common for one tribe to grant permission to another to hunt and fish nearby themselves on a regular basis. Fences, real and imagined, were not a part of their culture. Naturally, it was polite to ask before setting up operations too close to where others lived, but refusal in matters of this sort was considered rude. As a sign of gratitude, small trinkets were usually offered by the tribe seeking temporary admission and cheerfully accepted by those already there. It was clearly understood to be a sort of short-term rental arrangement. Sad to say, the unfortunate Canarsees apparently had no idea the Dutch meant to settle in. Worse yet for them, it must have been unthinkable that they would also be unwelcome in Manhattan after their deal. One thing we can be sure of. Their equivalent of today's buyer's remorse brought the Canarsees nothing but grief, humiliation and violence.
Many Indians lived on Long Island in those days. Another Dutchman, Adrian Block, was the first European to come upon them in 1619. Block was also eager to introduce European commercialism and the Christian concept of "real estate" to these unfortunate innocents. Without exception, these Indians too came out on the short end in their dealings with the Dutch.
The market savvy unleashed by the Europeans upon the Indians constituted the first land use policies in the New World. In the 17th Century it was not urban but rather rural renewal. The result was of course the same. People of color with no money to speak of got booted out and the neighborhood which was subsequently gentrified and overrun by white people.
Not far from Manhattan, one tribe of about 10,000 Indians lived peacefully in a lovely spot on a peninsula directly along the ocean. There they fished in the open sea and inland bay. They hunted across the pristine shoreline and they were quite happy until they met a man - another Dutchman - named Willem Kieft. He was the Governor of New Netherland in 1639. These poor bastards were called the Rechaweygh (pronounced Rockaway). Soon after meeting Governor Kieft, they became the very first of New York's homeless.
The people of New Netherland had a lot in common with the people of Plymouth Colony. At least it appears so from the way both of these groups of displaced and dissatisfied Europeans interacted with the local Indians. The Pilgrims in Plymouth had a hard time for the first couple of years. While nature was no friend, their troubles were mostly their own doing. Poor planning was their downfall. These mostly city dwelling Europeans failed to include among them persons with the skills needed in settling the North American wilderness. Having reached the forests and fields of Massachusetts they turned out to be pathetic hunters and incompetent butchers. With game everywhere, they went hungry. First, they couldn't catch and kill it. Then they couldn't cut it up, prepare it, preserve it and create a storehouse for those days when fresh supplies would run low. To compensate for their shortage of essential protein they turned to their European ways and their Christian culture. They instituted a series of religious observances. They could not hunt or farm well, but they seemed skilled at praying.
They developed a taste for something both religious and useful. They called it a Day of Fasting. Without food it seemed like a good idea. From necessity, that single Day became multiple Days. As food supplies dwindled the Days of Fasting came in bunches. Each of these episodes was eventually and thankfully followed by a meal. Appropriately enough, the Puritans credited God for this good fortune. They referred to the fact they were allowed to eat again as a "Thanksgiving." And they wrote it down. Thus, the first mention of the word - "Thanksgiving." Let there be no mistake here. On that first Thanksgiving there was no turkey, no corn, no cranberries, no stuffing. And no dessert. Those fortunate Pilgrims were lucky to get a piece of fish and a potato. All things considered, it was a Thanksgiving feast.
Did the Pilgrims share their Thanksgiving meal with the local Indians, the Wampanoag and Pequot? No. That never happened. That is, until its inclusion in the "Thanksgiving Story" in 1890.
Let the Wampanoag be a lesson to us especially in these troubled economic times. These particular Indians, with a bent for colorful jewelry, had their tribal name altered slightly by the Dutch, who then used it as a reference for all Indian payments. Hence, wampum. Contrary to what we've been shown in our Western movies, this word - wampum - and its economic meaning never made it out of New England.
Unlike wampum, Thanksgiving Day has indeed spread across the continent. It would serve us well to remember that it wasn't until the victorious colonial militia returned from their slaughter of the Pequot that the New Americans began their now time-honored and cherished Thanksgiving.
Enjoy your turkey.





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悲伤日子 发表于 19-1-2016 03:39 PM
如果您觉得不是严肃的历史,您就不要像个【意识形态】基督教徒,为了反对而反对

难道您是历史学教授? ...


难道您是历史学教授?


難得你尚有丁點智慧, 知道最好是『历史学教授』才好講這類觀點,
不是亞張三, 李四, 陳太, 李師奶, Susan Bates來講


當你要求我是『历史学教授』時,
又有没有要求原文吹水的 Susan Bates, 轉貼作者:王孟源也應是『历史学教授』?

這裡就是你欠缺邏輯的地方勒。
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beechan 发表于 17-1-2016 10:47 PM
抱歉,
這兩網址所舉的, 全不是嚴肅的歷史考證。


一般都听说,自己拿石头砸自己的脚

现在您既然把我简化,又丰富的【语言】用作自己【无知的证明】——来砸自己的脚哈哈

我说,您是历史学教授吗?——讲的并不是说【您沒有权威】,乃是说您有没有像教授般的——丰富的历史知识^O^哈哈

难道你的【逻辑】仅仅在乎权威?

这就是你没有【逻辑】的地方哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

因为你除了用我的【语言】,却把自己的【语言扭曲】,或者说心理假想性的扭曲性格,还回给我——却自己不用证明自己的内涵——就以为找到了我没有逻辑之处^O^哈哈哈哈

原来你的【逻辑内涵】就是这样地喜欢——自己转来转去,却没有脸的证明自己的内涵,反而是把【自己隐蔽在】我的语言特定内涵之中,然后【自恋地】以为把我的语言还给我就能“证明”我的没有逻辑

您是书呆子,还是白痴,或者其实是——心里有鬼,无法包容其它知识又【心术不正】的——空洞人?哈哈

我是追求知识的——您的脑残除了有【来回反复,跳来跳去,躲猫猫的】有限又低能知识之外——还会有什么。。。。内涵??哈哈哈哈哈

我的知识能把你的【弯弯曲曲】给看穿——这就是我的【灵魂洞察力】

比你【拘谨的知识反驳】更多更深


从我贴文章开始,我讲的都是——或历史,或真理。

您却只跟我【要】逻辑,与语言的精确度

您不是书呆子,白痴,就是——不敢面对真相,只想反抗的【流氓】——至少也是。。。。。伪君子哈哈哈哈哈哈

因为稍微有知识的人,都能够晓得一件事——历史研究如果只讲逻辑与学术,就会有【不同的历史学】,因为逻辑只能产生理论,却永远没有产生【结论】

可是看你的【知识反应】,我就会知道——您是没有我这种【洞察力的】啦!

因为追求知识的人,知道什么是【内心的痛苦】

只有【自恋】逻辑与诡辩(反驳)的人,内心只有——逃避或暗爽与【投机】,甚至于——偷工减料的哈哈哈哈哈哈

因为,现在的人【说话都】那样地懒,与烦躁——思想就更不用说变成了鸡毛,与箭。。。。拿着鸡毛当令箭^O^哈哈哈哈哈哈

可是很奇怪咯!——按照中学知识的说法^O^(哈哈),您应该像一般的人民都晓得【两件历史事实】

第一,清教徒曾经跟随五月号船而找到了美洲新大陆

第二,印地安人就是在美国扩张的时期被【新移民】清教徒等的逃亡人士所——屠杀

怎么啦!。。。。客观的历史也许您接受——只是没有【牵涉】到宗教的“敏感雷区”,您就反对历史了吗?哈哈哈哈哈哈

而且我转载分享的文章中,不仅仅是——转载您【不认同的】历史考证网址来源

也【简要概述】——清教徒如何是从英国逃离到荷兰,再到因为【不爽自己的后代快“同化”成荷兰人】而又再次逃难到美洲新大陆,然后在那新大陆【什么都不会做】,所以就只能——举行宗教仪式,来安慰自己的【精神恐惧】

如果你了解历史,又了解【人性的】——以上这些“简要概述”是非常符合。。。。人性,常识,甚至是逻辑——您却只要求【逻辑】哇咔咔咔咔咔

所以我说,你没有知识——因为没有内涵

所以我说,您【心术不正】

所以我说,您是——意识形态教徒

因为你的知识【有限】,所以才会只【认同】教科书^O^哈哈哈哈。若有任何【历史知识】推反教科书的——您就会像【政客】一样的反抗你所谓的【歪理】

可是很奇怪叻!!!!!

你既然【说不出】反对的证据与其学识,只书呆子般的【只要求逻辑的】——您又是如何。。。。逻辑地证明。。。。这个网络地址与其教科书之间的。。。谁的逻辑对?谁的逻辑【有问题】呢??哇咔咔咔

您说别人的标准【不是标准】——但别人也可以说,您的标准是【盗版的】哈哈哈哈哈哈

这样简单的【逻辑】,如果你的【逻辑】都看不到——那么【您的逻辑】真的让你。。。。白活几十年的【青春】了哈哈哈哈哈哈

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我从学院跟别人辩论到现在,看太多您这种——没有话说了,就随意用几个【不成体统】的称谓,或者【装傻】来表明自己的【无辜】


您不承认我也没有办法


没有知识的人看到有知识的人,也会觉得别人【没有知识的】


反正圣经说。。。。罪的工价就是死


您死了之后就知道自己有没有罪了哈哈哈哈哈哈——人始终要面对上帝的面哈哈哈






在世上只能【诡辩】几十年
但是死了之后,在上帝面前的时候,【永恒】是无法让您成功诡辩,或者【装傻】的哈哈哈

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我从学院跟别人辩论到现在,看太多您这种——没有话说了,就随意用几个【不成体统】的称谓,或者【装傻】 ...

拜託你千萬不要說出你是在那所學院,免得學院也蒙羞。
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