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请参考以下经文:
Sent from the Father
(Joh 14:16 CUV-S) 我要求父,父就另外赐给你们一位保惠师(或作:训慰师;下同),叫他永远与你们同在,
(Joh 14:16 ESV) And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
Sent from the Father through the Son
(Joh 14:26 CUV-S) 但保惠师,就是父因我的名所要差来的圣灵,他要将一切的事指教你们,并且要叫你们想起我对你们所说的一切话。
(Joh 14:26 ESV) But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Sent by the Son from the Father
(Joh 15:26 CUV-S) 但我要从父那里差保惠师来,就是从父出来真理的圣灵;他来了,就要为我作见证。
(Joh 15:26 ESV) "But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.
* Proceeds from = departs from = from beside
Sent from the Son
(Joh 16:7 CUV-S) 然而,我将真情告诉你们,我去是与你们有益的;我若不去,保惠师就不到你们这里来;我若去,就差他来。
(Joh 16:7 ESV) Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
(Luk 24:49 CUV-S)
我要将我父所应许的降在你们身上,你们要在城里等候,直到你们领受从上头来的能力。」
(Luk 24:49 ESV) And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."
(Act 2:33 CUV-S) 他既被神的右手高举(或作:他既高举在神的右边),又从父受了所应许的圣灵,就把你们所看见所听见的,浇灌下来。
(Act 2:33 ESV)
Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.
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发表于 17-9-2007 01:01 PM
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我觉得双发论应该不会导致多神论,因为父子是三位一体的神。你觉得如何呢? |
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:27 PM
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:28 PM
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回复 #68 ubiquitous 的帖子
嗨ubiquitous,可以参考天主教在Catechism of the Catholic Church第245-248条中如何为filioque clause / double procession of the Holy Spirit辩护。 |
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:31 PM
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:46 PM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 17-9-2007 10:31 PM 发表
how about mormon? jehovah witness?
我不认为JW和Mormon是基督教。不过,Mormon比JW接近基督教多些。 |
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:48 PM
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ohno...我发现到你终于用EMO ICON了!!!
你还没回答我
亚米纽斯??
(even) the purest churches under heaven are subject both to mixture anderror。???
不过mormon jw他们也信主的吧。。。
况且LORD JESUS也说过他是真理道路生命
不知道有没冲突
[ 本帖最后由 kamwah 于 17-9-2007 10:56 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 17-9-2007 10:57 PM
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Who Proceeds from the Father and the Son
TheSon is said to be begotten, while the Spirit is said to proceed. Bothwords are used to say that the Son and Spirit are in specialrelationships to the Father, yet also fully divine. The phrase "and the Son," in Latin, filioque, is not in the original creed, but used in many Western Churches. The addition developed over time,probably as a tool against Arians in the Gothic lands. There aretheological and historical justifications for the addition or exclusionof the filioque. The Eastern Churches oppose the addition of thefilioque. Actually, despite current division on the matter, the issue has been pretty much theologically resolved. The Catholic Church acknowledges that the Father is the sole source within the Trinity, and admits that "proceeds from the Father and the Son" means "proceeds from the Father through the Son." They also acknowledge that the procession through the Son is not metaphysical, but refers to a sending forth. Also, Eastern Catholics (those Eastern Churches in communion with Rome) do not say the filioque, and remain in full communionwith the Roman Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox Churches seemwilling to allow the interpretation "through the Son," because it doesnot destroy the monarchy of the Father within the Holy Trinity.However, the filioque remains a major division between Eastern andWestern Christianity, mainly because the filioque was added to the Western version of the Nicene Creed without Eastern input.Hopefully it will be resolved in the future, as the current environmentis far less political than it was a thousand years ago.
http://www.ancient-future.net/nicene.html |
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发表于 18-9-2007 01:58 AM
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原帖由 影武者神风 于 14-9-2007 08:54 AM 发表
基督徒可以脱离俗世,却不能回避现世
不对基督徒应该进入俗世为上帝作光作盐。 |
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发表于 18-9-2007 04:48 PM
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发表于 18-9-2007 09:12 PM
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原帖由 kamwah 于 17-9-2007 10:48 PM 发表
ohno...我发现到你终于用EMO ICON了!!!
你还没回答我
亚米纽斯??
(even) the purest churches under heaven are subject both to mixture anderror。???
不过mormon jw他们也信主的吧。。。
况 ...
亚米纽斯=>Arminian(从Arminius人名而来)
(even) the purest churches underheaven are subject both to mixture and error =>在地上那些有形的教会-不管是以前的、以后的,虽有圣灵的保守,仍然由非完美的罪人组成,无法免于混杂和错谬。
嗯,Mormons和JWs基本上也相信耶稣为救主(虽然他们特别JWs对耶稣的认识与基督教所了解的有异)。我同意相信耶稣为救主是个人得救的第一步。不过我是看Mormon和JW团体/教会的整体。由于他们的教导和实践与基督教有蛮大的出入,我不认为他们属于基督教或是基督教派。
[ 本帖最后由 openviewtheist 于 18-9-2007 09:14 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 19-9-2007 12:22 AM
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回复 #78 openviewtheist 的帖子
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原帖由 ycwk82 于 13-9-2007 08:54 发表
就是我的宗教打来打去~
我的宗教是
基督教!!!!
不愿意承认吧?
那我就做坏人咯~
一提起这个,看会不会引起嘴角,
方言,圣笑,圣哭,什么东西作怪就关于“邪灵”,如肚子痛的灵,懒惰的灵.....
圣母玛利亚,耶稣基督
告诫......
一大堆。
爱好和平?对,可惜内心恶毒的很多,
为了做什么长老啦,领事啦,争权啦~
互相在背后放毒针,分档分派,论断人~ 呵呵
圣经里不是有很多不和平的教会么?
圣笑 和 圣哭 是什么来的??
可以解释吗? |
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发表于 19-9-2007 12:33 AM
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回复 #29 烏鴉 的帖子
他们说,圣灵感动圣灵充满,
然后就会哈哈的大笑很喜乐的(喜乐是这个样子的么)
圣哭就是突然大哭尽情地哭很释放的。
他们都说这是圣灵充满的现象哦!
你问那些灵恩派的啦~ |
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回复 #77 kamwah 的帖子
你问filioque的问题还是我的信仰?filioque的问题我还在思考中。
[ 本帖最后由 ubiquitous 于 19-9-2007 10:27 AM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 19-9-2007 06:26 PM
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希望kamwah 朋友可以切换您的拜占庭圣像头像。
我们不希望异教徒亵渎我们上帝的圣像。 |
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发表于 19-9-2007 10:00 PM
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发表于 19-9-2007 11:48 PM
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回复 #82 kamwah 的帖子
我并没有如此的意思。如果您要一直这样想,我也没有办法。
拜占庭圣像,不只是种艺术,更加是我们基督徒的祈祷圣物。
念珠,是个工具。重要的是信仰正确,合乎教会传承。我也有使用密宗的念珠啊。只要里面没有与我的信仰有冲突的,就可以了。那么,代表了我是佛教徒?
既然您不愿意做朋友的,那么这个就是我最后的帖了。不过,我当然切望您原谅我的过犯,我是永远欢迎所有人当我的朋友的。
珍重... |
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