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【IOICORP 交流专区】 IOI 老板一年前的致词
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发表于 24-10-2008 06:46 PM
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原帖由 股友 于 24-10-2008 06:24 PM 发表
klk给你一买就跌个不停。你是肖马的吗?
我肖狗的,不好讲人家IOI,我进的 KLK也是很伤,我买的时候9块8毛半, 现在7快2毛半 
当然那些10多块买进的更不用讲了 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 06:48 PM
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发表于 24-10-2008 06:48 PM
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原帖由 骨头仔 于 24-10-2008 06:42 PM 发表
亏6千多万就疯狂丢票, 有没有搞错啊?
IOI 共发行 6,142,793,131 股, 给这个外汇亏损搞一下就跌57仙...
6,142,793,131 x RM3 = RM 18,428,379,393
6,142,793,131 x RM2.45 = RM 15,04 ...
还是你最棒--恐慌是需要制造的--乱世出英雄--机会在创造中
http://kelvinliew.pixnet.net/blog/
软趴趴的说
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发表于 24-10-2008 06:50 PM
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回复 1601# Orochimaru 的帖子
我是肖马的今年犯太岁。已经从年头衰到现在,好采没有玩股票。还要挨3个月。
你以前玩warrant输很多,干嘛不cut loss? |
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发表于 24-10-2008 07:27 PM
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原帖由 股友 于 24-10-2008 06:50 PM 发表
我是肖马的今年犯太岁。已经从年头衰到现在,好采没有玩股票。还要挨3个月。
你以前玩warrant输很多,干嘛不cut loss?
是咯,本来讲KLK放住不去管它,应该值得收,结果就变成现在酱了。我真的是投机死,投资也死 
那个WARRAN我死都会记住 EXXONMOBIL:@ |
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发表于 24-10-2008 07:42 PM
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回复 1599# 骨头仔 的帖子
都不是佳里的人的错,他们至多是散户,哪里可能丢票酱够力的?我看到一次丢1,000,000股的。。。是庄家啦 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 07:52 PM
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发表于 24-10-2008 07:55 PM
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原帖由 股友 于 1-10-2008 12:22 PM 发表
要死咯,开到这么底的价。ioicorp RM3。50那么综指不是被拖衰到八百多点?
股市真的是难于预测 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:02 PM
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:03 PM
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回复 1595# 傻人最有傻福 的帖子
Rumour on foreign exchange trading losses suffered by IOI Corporation Berhad.
IOI Corporation Berhad (“The Company”) wishes to make the following clarifications in
connection with certain news reports quoting rumours that the Company had suffered foreign
exchange trading losses.
The Company, being involved in substantial downstream businesses selling palm oil and related
value-added products to many other countries, derives a substantial part of its revenue in
several foreign currencies. For example, in FY 2007/2008, about USD3 billion of its annual
revenue are denominated in foreign currencies, mainly Euro and US Dollars.
At the same time, the nature of the Company’s downstream businesses is such that a lot of our
sales to established customers are for the forward months, sometimes up to two years forward.
These sales are secured against forward raw material purchases which are often denominated
in different currencies, mainly Malaysian Ringgit and US Dollars. As a result, the Company and
its subsidiaries have been utilizing various methods of forward currency coverage and hedging
to match the respective income streams and raw material purchase costs. The nature and
details of these foreign currency coverage contracts, particularly the currency swaps and
options, have been adequately disclosed according to the accounting rules in the Company’s
quarterly results announcements and annual reports during the last several financial years.
We wish to state that making losses or gains on these forward currency contracts is a normal
course of events for the Company’s downstream businesses. Due to the disclosure
requirements, the losses or gains on some of these forward contracts, even though unrealised,
will have to be disclosed first whereas the corresponding forex gains or losses on the sale of
physical products can be taken up only at the time of actual sale. The losses or gains from these
“timing differences” have always been occurring in the past but have been made more
significant recently due to the volatile foreign exchange markets. What is more important to
note at the end of the day is that the Company’s downstream businesses derive their profits
from the ‘locked-in’ contribution margins and not from the fluctuations in exchange rates.
Finally, the Company wishes to emphasise that it is not our policy to take speculative positions
on foreign currency movements. Our forward foreign currency coverage and hedging contracts
are intended to protect ourselves from the fluctuating foreign currency movements and ensure
that the intrinsic value-add margins in our downstream businesses are intact. The Company
has always practised prudent operational and financial management which have been a
hallmark of our success for so many years. |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:11 PM
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回复 1608# loong81 的帖子
很准,很衰,cimb的分析家不是普通的仙家。那时候klci1千点。 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:18 PM
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原帖由 东风不破 于 24-10-2008 05:09 PM 发表
USA大大是如何算出23.5?
CPO– COST = NET PROFIT or EPS
油众期货价– 本钱 = EPS
4月到6月众油期货(CPO) = RM3,400 (大概)
本钱
(cost)
= RM750 (analyst report)
RM3,400 – RM750 = RM2,650
RM2,650 = EPS 10cents ( 2 qtr / 第二季)
目前CPO price大概RM2,300
RM2,300-RM750 = RM1,550
RM1,550/RM2,650 X 10sen(eps) = 5.85cents
5.85 x 4 = 23.4cent
PE 是 16X
如果CPO price跌到RM1,800
RM1,800-RM750 = RM1,050
RM1,050/RM2,650 X 10sen(eps) = 4.cents
4 x 4 = 16cent
PE将是 23.75X
或者去看
http://cforum2.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=1345190
目前CPO price跌到RM1,500
RM1,500-RM750 = RM750
RM750/RM2,650 X 10sen(eps) = 2.8cents
2.8 x 4(一年4QTR) = 11.2cent
PE将是 22X
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:34 PM
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回复 1612# USA 的帖子
hi USA前辈,ioicorp还有其他收入例产业。那些纯棕油的公司例unico,cepat等棕油价跌破breakeve cost怎么办? |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:34 PM
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本来今天在2.59也想买IOI,不过因为排了RESORTS队变成TRADING LIMIT不够而且不懂为什么不能取消排队,所以系统不让我买。。。然后出差去了没有看股市,想不到好戏在后头。。。 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:42 PM
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原帖由 股友 于 24-10-2008 08:34 PM 发表
hi USA前辈,ioicorp还有其他收入例产业。那些纯棕油的公司例unico,cepat等棕油价跌破breakeve cost怎么办?
成绩很难看!大概会亏。
以上IOI计算是“糙粗计算”。 |
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发表于 24-10-2008 08:42 PM
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发表于 24-10-2008 10:07 PM
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IOI集團驚傳外匯鉅損‧股價暴挫20%寫10年最大跌幅
大馬財經 財經焦點  2008-10-24 18:37
(吉隆坡)備受原棕油崩跌困擾的IOI集團(IOICORP,1961,主板種植組),今日(週五,10月23日)驚傳外匯交易蒙受鉅額虧損,猶如一枚炸彈投向股市,股價在龐大賣壓欺壓下一度大跌20.53%至逾31個月新低,亦是10年最大跌幅,拖累大市同步挫低。
週五早上開盤,市場開始傳出IOI集團外匯交易蒙虧的傳言,據說虧損額高達6180萬令吉,並導致包括首席投資員和財務員在內的數名高層因此引咎辭職。
《星洲財經》分別聯絡IOI集團董事主席丹斯里李深靜,及執行董事拿督李耀祖辦公室求證,惟被告知兩人分別出席會議和接見客人而聯絡不上。至週午下午截稿事件,IOI集團仍未發出任何聲明。
根據IOI集團2008年財報顯示,截至6月杪的外匯期權合約,蒙受未被確認的虧損約6000萬令吉。若有關情況持續,這項虧損或須在明年6月確認。
年報也顯示,IOI集團進行交易的外匯遠期合約(3年期滿)總額達54億令吉,遠高於一年前的40億令吉。
根據達證券向此公司經理取得的消息表示,此公司的歐洲下游公司以歐元為棕油採購進行護盤,因此蒙受虧損。
這家荷蘭子公司洛德斯克羅科蘭是為遠期12月的棕油期貨護盤,不過未透露虧損的幅度。此公司發言人表示:“我們會在下午5時發文告作出通知。”
至於此公司的財務部高層辭職,一名公司職員說,這名高層辭職單純是個人理由,與外匯虧損沒有關係。
不過,市場傳言已經四起,幾乎所有交易商都聽聞這項消息。
輝立資產管理首席投資員洪國興受詢時說,他也從抽佣經紀處聽到上述傳言,但詳細情形則不得而知。
另一方面,在外匯交易虧損的傳聞爆發前,由於原棕油價格節節敗退,一路挫跌至1400令吉左右,市場已高度關注IOI集團盈利展望。
IOI集團週三(10月22日)召開常年股東大會,但會後沒有如往年般召開媒體匯報會。此公司公關早在週二(10月21日)傍晚率先通知各媒體因“不可預見的因素”而不舉行匯報會,這是該公司歷年來相當罕見的做法。
儘管原棕油崩跌令人擔憂,李深靜近期公開表示看好前景,他認為,原棕油現有價格已近谷底,估計明年首季回升至介於2千200至2500令吉之間。
賣盤沉重
佔全場交投14%
IOI集團週五早上下跌2仙,開出3令吉水平,隨著上述傳言散佈後,投資者特別是小股東驚惶失措,市場以龐大賣壓作出回應,截至中午休市跌41仙或13.58%至2令吉61仙,作下2006年2月以來最低水平。
IOI集團賣壓異常沉重,半天共有6396萬6200股易手,佔半天總交易量3億5849萬4200股的17.8%比重。
午盤表現沒有改善,外匯虧損傳言越傳越熾,但沒有獲得公司的澄清,導致賣壓擴大拖累股價進一步下跌,一度重挫62仙或20.53%至2令吉40仙的31個月來新低。
全天收市,此公司股價掛2令吉45仙,下跌57仙或18.87%。由於是綜指重量級份股,此股下跌導致綜指失去6.49點。綜合指數週五收市掛859.11點,下跌32.21點。
IOI集團全天成交量達1億2133萬股,佔了全場成交量8億9907萬股的13.5%比例,作為全球第二大的種植集團,其崩跌引發骨牌效應,多隻種植股也同步挫跌。
市值蒸發:1天35億
1年378億
IOI集團週四以3令吉零2仙作收,市值企在185億5000萬令吉,在馬股市值榜仍居第8位,超越第9的馬電訊(TM,4863,主板貿服組)和第10的數碼网絡(DIGI,6947,主板基建計劃組)。不過在股價暴跌後,此公司身價也直降至排名第10位。
IOI集團週五收盤市值縮減至150億4300萬令吉,一天蒸發近35億令吉。
若以今年最高的8令吉60仙計算,市值仍達528億令吉,也即是一年來紙上財富丟失377億5700萬令吉。
再下2級吊10大市值股車尾
IOI集團去年一度崛起為馬股最大市值公司,超越盤距市值王多年的馬來亞銀行(MAYBANK,1155,主板金融組)。截至今年7月3日,此公司仍以482億令吉市值高居第二位。
股市低迷和原棕油價格暴跌,拖累IOI集團股價,308大選效應、美國次貸、全球金融,加上原棕油期貨行情崩跌,外資緊急撤出大馬股市,作為外資鍾愛股項,股價和市值顯著挫跌。
IOI集團今年1月15日作下8令吉60仙,寫下52週最高水平,年初至今暴挫61.03%。
星洲日報/財經‧2008.10.24 |
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发表于 25-10-2008 07:36 AM
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IOI shares plunge on forex loss talk
The sell-off wipes off almost RM3.5 billion of IOICorp's market capitalisation and an analyst warns that 'this is justthe beginning, it'll get worse when the market reopens'
IOI Corp's share price plunged on panic selling yesterday, on talk thata senior finance executive has resigned to take responsibility forforeign exchange losses incurred by the company.
The stock fell 57 sen or 19 per cent to close at RM2.45. The sell-offof about 121 million shares wiped off almost RM3.5 billion of IOICorp's market capitalisation.
In its filing to the stockexchange yesterday, IOI Corp said making losses or gains on forwardcurrency contracts is a normal course of events for the company'sdownstream businesses.
Itsaid losses or gains on forward contracts, even though unrealised, willhave to be disclosed first whereas the corresponding forex gains orlosses on the sale of physical products can be taken up only at thetime of actual sale.
The group explained that losses or gains from these "timingdifferences" have always been occurring in the past but have been mademore significant recently due to the volatile foreign exchange market.
IOI Corp's downstream businesses derive profits from the "locked-in"contribution margins and not from the fluctuations in exchange rates.
While IOI Corp emphasised that it is not its policy to take speculativepositions on foreign currency movements, it made no mention of theamount of currency exchange losses.
There was also no mention of resignation of a senior corporate finance manager.
TA Securities Holdings Bhd analyst James Ratnam, in a note to investorsyesterday, said: "The share price weakness is more of a knee-jerkreaction."
Another analyst, who declined to be identified,anticipates more sell-offs of IOI Corp shares next week. "This is justthe beginning, it'll get worse when the market reopens," he said.
In the last few months, IOI Corp's share price, like all otherplantation counters, has been dragged down by falling palm oil futureson the Bursa Malaysia Derivatives Market.
Yesterday, the thirdmonth benchmark palm oil futures plunged RM160 to close at RM1,390 pertonne. It has come off 70 per cent from its all time high of RM4,486posted on March 4 2008.
Since the start of the year, shareprices of plantation counters on the stock exchange have been on thedowntrend. The Kuala Lumpur plantation index, meanwhile, has plunged by63 per cent.
Investors continue to sell their shares inplantation counters on fears that future corporate earnings would falldue to lower palm oil prices.
The slide has taken its toll onthe broader market as plantation stocks make up about one fifth of theKuala Lumpur Composite Index (KLCI). Since April, the KLCI has lostsome 700 points or 43 per cent. |
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发表于 25-10-2008 10:13 AM
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原帖由 USA 于 24-10-2008 08:18 PM 发表
CPO– COST = NET PROFIT or EPS
油众期货价– 本钱 = EPS
4月到6月众油期货(CPO) = RM3,400 (大概)
本钱
(cost)
= RM750 (analyst report)
RM3,400 – RM750 = RM2,650
RM2,650 = EPS 10cents ...
原来是这样,谢谢。
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发表于 25-10-2008 11:03 AM
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传面对外汇亏损 IOI集团股价重挫18.87% 2008/10/24 17:59:17
●南洋商报
(吉隆坡24日讯)随着IOI集团(IOICorp,1961,主板种植股)高级财务主管辞职,以及该公司面对外汇亏损的谣言传出后,该公司的股价今日暴跌18.87%。
开市时,该股便以3.00令吉报开,跌0.02令吉或0.66%。早盘休市时,IOI集团大挫41仙或13.57%,报2.61令吉,致其市值蒸发了25亿令吉,也是自9月8日最大的跌幅,2006年2月来的最低点。闭式时,IOI集团报 2.45令吉,大幅挫跌0.57令吉或18.87%,成交量有1213万3000股,成为第一大热门股。
新加坡唯高达证券分析员说:“传闻指出该公司面对外汇亏损,而且其高级行政人员也在管理混乱时离开。”
此外,辉立资产管理公司总投资长洪国兴指出:“一些谣言指出,该公司面对外汇亏损,而该行政人员必须负起责任。”
根据IOI集团2008年的年报,截止7月份,该股市可能会蒙受6180万令吉的外汇期权亏损。不过,即使这笔亏损成真,也必须等到明年6月才会反映在账目上。
此外,年度账目也显示,该公司买卖外汇期货合约的账面价值高达54亿令吉,并且将在3年内到期,该数目比去一年前的40亿令吉高。
无论如何,截稿时,本报仍无法联络上该公司负责人对上述事件做出评论。
http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=7&pg=12&ac=895264
勒令3要员辞职 2008/10/24 17:59:17
●南洋商报
根据路透社报道,由于蒙受外汇兑换亏损,因此,IOI集团勒令两、三名主要职员辞职。
消息人士透露:“不是人民币的问题,而是因为美元兑欧元走强,而原油价格也下滑。事情发生在过去几天。”不过,消息人士拒绝透露亏损的程度。
另外,IOI集团的发言人则说:“我们无法确定这件事。”
http://www.nanyang.com/index.php?ch=7&pg=12&ac=895265 |
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