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【专题讨论】中东将是全世界的救主?

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发表于 16-10-2008 12:07 PM | 显示全部楼层
中國‧世界最多‧外匯儲備近2萬億美元
國際  2008-10-15 12:06
(中國‧北京)中國人民銀行週二(10月14日)表示,中國外匯儲備已成世界最多,截至今年9月份,中國外匯儲備餘額已達19056億美元。

根據中國人民銀行網站刊登的資料,這數目較1年前增長了32.9%,並較2007年年杪之數據高出約25%。

當前美國金融海嘯席卷全球,坐擁1.9萬美元億外匯儲備的中國,在這場全球性金融危機中如何抵御沖擊引人矚目。

委王岐山組委會

另一方面,據英文《南華早報》週二引述消息報導,中國政府已責成副總理王岐山率領一個委員會,專責處理全球金融危機對中國的影響,以避免中國經濟步西方國家後塵而呈現衰退。

報導表示,中國當局相信,中國在這次金融危機中的損失是有限的,而中國在這次危機中所面對的風險及弱點也都在可控制的範圍內。

溫家寶:中續發揮積極作用

中國總理溫家寶週二強調,應對當前全球金融危機需要國際社會加強合作,中國將繼續以負責任的態度發揮積極作用。

他說,這場危機對中國的影響是有限的、可控的。只要保持清醒頭腦,增強憂患意識,積極做好各項應對工作,中國有信心維護中國金融市場的穩定。

溫家寶應約與英國首相布朗通電話,就當前國際金融形勢交換看法。

溫家寶指出,近些年來,中國金融業穩步對外開放,中國金融機構參與國際金融市場的程度有所提高,但仍處於起步階段。多年來的改革增強了中國金融抗風險的能力。

他說,當前,對中國而言,最重要的是把自己的事情辦好。中國將採取靈活、審慎的宏觀經濟政策,進一步增強宏觀調控的預見性、針對性、靈活性,保持經濟穩定、金融穩定、資本市場穩定,促進經濟平穩、較快發展,這就是對世界的最大貢獻。
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发表于 16-10-2008 12:17 PM | 显示全部楼层
新闻。

Iceland teeters on the brink of bankruptcy

By JANE WARDELL – Oct 7, 2008

REYKJAVIK, Iceland (AP) — This volcanic island near the Arctic Circle is on the brink of becoming the first "national bankruptcy" of the global financial meltdown.

Home to just 320,000 people on a territory the size of Kentucky, Iceland has formidable international reach because of an outsized banking sector that set out with Viking confidence to conquer swaths of the British economy — from fashion retailers to top soccer teams.

The strategy gave Icelanders one of the world's highest per capita incomes. But now they are watching helplessly as their economy implodes — their currency losing almost half its value, and their heavily exposed banks collapsing under the weight of debts incurred by lending in the boom times.

"Everything is closed. We couldn't sell our stock or take money from the bank," said Johann Sigurdsson as he left a branch of Landsbanki in downtown Reykjavik.

The government had earlier announced it had nationalized the bank under emergency laws enacted to deal with the crisis.

"We have been forced to take decisive action to save the country," Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde said of those sweeping new powers that allow the government to take over companies, limit the authority of boards, and call shareholder meetings.

A full-blown collapse of Iceland's financial system would send shock waves across Europe, given the heavy investment by Icelandic banks and companies across the continent.

One of Iceland's biggest companies, retailing investment group Baugur, owns or has stakes in dozens of major European retailers — including enough to make it the largest private company in Britain, where it owns a handful of stores such as the famous toy store Hamley's.

Kaupthing, Iceland's largest bank and one of those whose share trading was suspended last week to stop a huge sell-off, has also invested in European retail groups.

Thousands of Britons have accounts with Icesave, the online arm of Landsbanki that regulators said was likely to file for bankruptcy after it stopped permitting customers to withdraw money from their accounts Tuesday.

To try to wrest control of the spiraling situation, the government also loaned $680 million to Kaupthing to tide it over and said it was negotiating a $5.4 billion loan from Russia to shore up the nation's finances.

The speed of Iceland's downfall in the week since it announced it was nationalizing Glitnir bank, the country's third largest, caught many by surprise despite warnings that it was the "canary in the coal mine" of the global credit squeeze.

Famous for its cod fishing industry, geysers, moonscape and the Blue Lagoon, Iceland was the site of the Cold War showdown in which Bobby Fischer of the United States defeated Boris Spassky of the Soviet Union in 1972 for the world chess championship. Last year, Iceland won the U.N.'s "best country to live in" poll, with its residents deemed the most contented in the world.

No more.

Despite sunny skies Tuesday after three days of unseasonably cold weather, Reykjavik's mood remained grim — cafes were half-empty, real estate agents sat idle, and retailers reported few sales.

"I'm really starting to get worried now. Everything is bad news. I don't know what's happening," said retiree Helga Jonsdottir as she headed to a supermarket.

Icelanders are also beginning to question how a relative few were able to generate the disproportionate wealth — and associated debt — that Haarde has warned puts the entire country at risk of bankruptcy.

Iceland's reinvention from the poor cousin in Europe to one of the region's wealthiest countries dates to the deregulation of the banking industry and the creation of the domestic stock market in the mid-1990s.

Those free market reforms turned Iceland from a conservative, inward-looking country to one of a new generation of internationally educated young businessmen and women who were determined to give Iceland a modern profile far beyond its fishing base.

Entrepreneurs become its greatest export, as banks and companies marched across Europe and their acquisition wallets were filled by a stock market boom and a well-funded pension system. Among the purchases were the iconic Hamley's toy store and the West Ham soccer team.

Back home, the average family's wealth soared 45 percent in half a decade and gross domestic product rose at around 5 percent a year.

But the whole system was built on a shaky foundation of foreign debt.

The country's top four banks now hold foreign liabilities in excess of $100 billion, debts that dwarf Iceland's gross domestic product of $14 billion.

Those external liabilities mean the private sector has had great difficulty financing its debts, such as the more than $5.25 billion racked up by Kaupthing in five years to help fund British deals.

Iceland is unique "because the sheer size of its financial sector puts it in a vulnerable situation, and its currency has always been seen as a high risk and high yield," said Venla Sipila, a senior economist at Global Insight in London.

The krona is suffering in part from a withdrawal by a falloff in what are called carry trades — where investors borrow cheaply in a country with low rates, such as Japan, and invest in a country where returns, and often risks, are higher.

After watching the free-fall for several days, the Central Bank of Iceland stepped in Tuesday to fix the exchange rate of the currency at 175 — a level equal to 131 krona against the euro.

Haarde said he believed the measures had renewed confidence in the system. He also was critical of the lack of an Europe-wide response to the crisis, saying Iceland had been forced to adopt an "every-country-for-itself" mentality.

He acknowledged that Iceland's financial reputation was likely to suffer from both the crisis and the response despite strong fundamentals such as the fishing industry and clean and renewable energy resources.

As regular Icelanders begin to blame the government and market regulators, Haarde said the banks had been "victims of external circumstances."

Richard Portes of the London Business School agreed, noting the banks were well-capitalized and had not bought any of the toxic debt that has brought down banks elsewhere.

"I believe it is absolutely wrong to say these banks were reckless," said. "Quite the contrary. They were hugely unlucky."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALe ... Vvn_OE9vKwD93LRO8O1


Iceland plunges further into financial turmoil

By JANE WARDELL – Oct 8, 2008

REYKJAVIK, Iceland (AP) — Iceland plunged further into financial turmoil — and muddled into a diplomatic spat with Britain over its handling of the crisis — on Wednesday as the country's third-largest bank went into receivership and the government abandoned attempts to put a floor under its free-falling currency.

As increasingly worried Icelanders attended a protest concert in the capital's main square and reported problems withdrawing and transferring money from banks, their government was scrambling to get a hold on the spiraling situation.

Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde acknowledged that it will take the tiny Nordic nation of just 320,000 people several years to recover from the crisis, which has been wrought by the exposure of the country's top-heavy banking sector to the global credit squeeze.

"What we have learnt from this whole exercise is that it is not wise for a small country to try to take a leading role in international banking," Haarde told reporters. "We are too small to sustain a banking system that has become too big."

A stock market boom in the mid-1990s supported the rapid growth of the country's banking sector, which now dwarfs the rest of the economy with assets at nine times annual gross domestic product of $19 billion.

In urgent moves to downsize that overgrown sector, Iceland on Wednesday said it had put Glitnir into receivership under the Icelandic Supervisory Authority. The regulator immediately began to restructure the bank, saying it would sell its Finnish and Swedish businesses.

That decision was a sign that problems at Glitnir were larger than the government thought when it announced less than two weeks ago that it would nationalize the bank — the switch into receivership gives Glitnir temporary protection from its debt obligations.

But a similar move with the country's second-largest bank, Landsbanki, which went into receivership on Tuesday, started a diplomatic incident over the standing of accounts held by Swedish and British customers of the bank's Online arm, IceSave.

After British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he would pursue legal action to recover the lost deposits of some 300,000 Britons who hold accounts with IceSave, Haarde said that discussions had begun between the two countries to find a "mutually satisfactory solution."

"The government of Iceland is determined not to let the current financial crisis overshadow the long standing friendship between Iceland and the United Kingdom," Haarde said as he attempted to salve the situation.

Haarde said that Iceland was also in talks with representatives from the International Monetary Fund who were visiting Reykjavik on a previously scheduled trip, but had not decided whether to formally seek funding from the international body.

He added that talks with Russia over the potential of a 4 million-euro ($5.47 million) loan were scheduled to take place in Moscow next Tuesday.

Until then, some support came from Sweden, where the central bank said Wednesday it would grant liquidity assistance to the Swedish arm of Kaupthing, the country's largest bank, with a loan of up to 5 billion crowns ($702 million).

Meanwhile, the Icelandic central bank, Sedlabanki, said it was giving up attempts to peg its currency to stop the krona free-falling.

The bank had temporarily fixed the exchange rate of the krona at a level equal to 131 krona against the euro — on Tuesday morning — but a plea to the market to support its attempts to strengthen the currency went unheeded and it abandoned the fix Wednesday.

Speculation is also building that Sedlabanki will cut interest rates from the current record high of 15.5 percent after the coordinated cuts by the U.S. Federal Reserve, the European Central Bank and a host of European and Asian countries on Wednesday. Haarde declined to comment Wednesday on whether an Icelandic rate cut was imminent.

The speed of Iceland's downfall has caught many by surprise, despite warnings the country was the "canary in the coal mine" of the global credit squeeze.

The intervention of the British and Swedish authorities underscores the effect that a full-blown collapse of Iceland's financial system would have on the rest of Europe, where Icelandic banks and companies have invested heavily in businesses from the famous toy store Hamley's to English football club West Ham.

Kaupthing alone has racked up debts of more than $5.25 billion in five years to help fund British deals.

Back in Reykjavik, Haarde attempted to reassure average Icelanders that they would not pay the price for the lending practices of the country's leading banks.

Following reports that many locals could not access banking accounts, Haarde said that regulators were working to untangle what he termed "technical problems," and that they expected the banking system to be fully operational by Thursday.

"We must stick together through this crisis, help each other with the kind of optimistic and daring which are the characteristics of the people who live here," he said, noting the country still has strong fundamentals in its fishing, tourism and renewable resource industries.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALe ... Vvn_OE9vKwD93MGN180


PM: British to blame for Iceland bank collapse
By Olafur Olafsson on Oct 11, 2008

During a meeting with the Icelandic Independence party this morning, PM Geir H. Haarde didn’t mince words about the British authorities. According to him, the British authorities had brought Iceland’s largest bank to its knees with their abuse of power this last week and that Iceland must look seriously into the possibility of litigation, MBL reported.

Haarde said that a government should naturally defend the rights of its subjects, but the statements of the British had been quite unwarranted.

“I won’t try to hide my surprise and disappointment when it became clear that the British government enforced the laws on defence against terrorism against Icelandic companies in the UK. Laws that were indeed very controversial when they were passed because of the inherent possibility of being abused in alternative situations, not involving terrorism at all. Perhaps we have now witnessed how that controversy was warranted.”

“These measures, along with the statements of the British PM, with whom I have by the way had very friendly relations, coupled with his statements about the defaulting and possible national bankruptcy of Iceland, can in fact be interpreted as an assault against the interests of the Icelandic nation, bearing in mind the difference in size and power between these two nations,” said Haarde.

He added that despite the fact that the British government had acted on the assumption of right against the Icelandic government over collateral and settlement of some bank accounts, the initiative of the British ministers had been completely out of proportion with the issues.

“We neither can, nor will (Icelanders), accept being cast as terrorists by the British government. When I asked the British Minister of Finance, in our conversation if they were serious about the title they were giving us, he denied it. But acting in this fashion against a smaller nation of friends in times of trouble is neither proper nor ethical,” said Haarde.

He continued that following clear and unambiguous Icelandic complaints, the British authorities had backed somewhat away from their position and that there were efforts towards normalising relations between the countries.

“However the fact remains that the British authorities may have caused immense damage with their brutish behaviour. Among other things, they may have brought down Iceland’s largest company with their abuse of power this week. We must look in all seriousness into the possibility of litigation because of these deeds,” said PM Haarde.

http://www.icenews.is/index.php/ ... eir-abuse-of-power/


Iceland meltdown hits ordinary people
The Associated Press
Published: October 13, 2008

REYKJAVIK, Iceland: Until recently, 25-year-old Audur Elin Sigurdardottir was living a modest Icelandic dream — renting an apartment and two cars with her boyfriend on their one full-time and one part-time salary.

"Now I live at home with my Mom, I work three jobs and it's still not enough to pay my debts," said Sigurdardottir as she digested the island's daily onslaught of bad news over a calming glass of wine with a friend.

Iceland's financial meltdown isn't just a banking calamity — it is also destroying dreams and turning lives upside down across this once affluent nation.

Just last year, Iceland won the U.N.'s "best country to live in" poll, with its residents rated the most contented in the world. The stock market was booming, cash-rich companies helmed by youthful CEOs were on an acquisition spree across Europe, and Icelanders enjoyed one of the globe's highest per capita incomes.

No more. The global financial crisis has washed up hard on the shores of this volcanic island of 320,000 people, its decision to swap cod fishing for a complex debt laden economy exacting a heavy toll.

For ordinary Icelanders, the biggest problem is that they were encouraged to upgrade to a more luxurious lifestyle by buying houses and cars that were financed by 100 percent loans based on a spread of foreign currencies.

The loans, called "Myntkörfulán" or "breadbasket" loans, were immensely popular because of their low interest rates compared to loans based on the then strong krona. But thousands of people are now defaulting as the Icelandic currency plummets.

Classified advertisements are mushrooming in the local newspapers with car owners offering cash of up to 770,000 krona (US$6,300) to anyone willing to take their car off their hands and assume responsibility for their "bread basket" loan.

Kolbeinn Blandon, who owns the Hofdahollin car dealership on the outskirts of the capital, says foreign loans "are killing us."

Blandon usually sells up to 150 cars a month. This month he's sold just eight so far and his staff chat idly as they take a long smoking break without a customer in sight.

"People are buying much cheaper cars, the expensive lot is just standing collecting dust, it is not selling at all," he says.

Blandon is now planning to export the cars back to Europe, where the price he can get from the strong euro will hopefully outweigh transportation costs.

When the country deregulated its financial industry in the mid-1990s and created the Icelandic stock exchange, the subsequent boom in paper wealth funded a generation of entrepreneurs who set out to conquer swaths of the European economy.

Back home, Icelanders eagerly took their share of the boom, with the average Icelandic family seeing its wealth surge by 45 percent in just five years.

Now, seemingly overnight, most of that wealth has evaporated.

"I am really afraid of what's going to happen," said Alexandra Sif Herleifsdottir, a 19-year-old bar worker. "We are afraid we might lose our jobs."

Her friend Sigurdardottir said she has cut back spending, with a drink after work one of her last remaining luxuries.

Icelanders are also increasingly angry, looking for somewhere to point blame for the country's spectacular fall.

Olafur Sigurdsson, 21, a school worker, is furious at both the banking executives who have retreated behind closed doors and the government, which has been making daily — but incoherent — TV appearances to explain the crisis.

"These people are going on TV and we can see in their faces that they are powerless," he said glumly.

In a jibe at the government, Elisabet Jokulsdottir carried a sign at a protest rally outside the central bank offices in Reykjavik: "Stay calm while we rob you."

"My son lost all his savings just days after they told us it would be fine," she said. "Somebody has to take responsibility."

Along with despair and anger, many Icelanders are displaying stoic resolve typical of the country.

"We can learn from what they did wrong," said Alvin Zogu, a 21-year-old print machinist, of the bankers who caused the financial collapse. "We can make better decisions."

That optimism is likely misplaced in the near term: it will take the Icelandic economy years, if not decades, to rise from the ashes.

Soaring inflation and crippling interest rates have been compounded by a banking system collapse of epic proportions that Prime Minister Geir H. Haarde has acknowledged will take the tiny Nordic nation years to recover from.

In the past week, the government has used emergency powers to take control of the country's three major banks, trading on the stock exchange has been suspended and attempts to put a floor under the free-falling krona have failed dismally.

Supplies of foreign currencies have dried up and, as Britain invoked anti-terrorism laws to freeze assets of Icelandic banks, the nation has never felt more isolated.

"There's a feeling in the air I've never felt before," said 21-year-old Olaf Helgason. "It's almost like 9/11 again. It feels like we are going through something that only happens once in a lifetime."

____

AP reporter Valur Gunnarson in Reykjavik contributed to this report.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2 ... ed-Lives.php?page=2

[ 本帖最后由 Mr.Business 于 16-10-2008 12:21 PM 编辑 ]
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 楼主| 发表于 16-10-2008 12:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
你们不了解中东人就不要讲多多。
中东人是有钱,但是他们为什么要救市?为什么要拿钱出来?
你讲得出理由,我讲你厉害。
如果我是中东人,我当然等你公司股价跌到够力够力才来以便宜价钱收购你公司。
用脑想一想啦。

你讲中国出钱,中国比较有钱。
再用脑想一想,为什么中国要救美国,
因为中国要靠美国来进口中国产品,美国死,中国也死。
现在如果中东不救市场,全世界死,中东不会死,除非你们不要用石油。
但是可能不用石油吗?无论经济多坏,都要开车,要用电。

你们整天讲到自己天下无敌,
但是你们会不会用脑分析?
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发表于 16-10-2008 12:35 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 84# 爱情是一种怪事 的帖子

不是和尚你自己讲的吗?

原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 11-10-2008 10:20 AM 发表
经济增长不一定靠股票。
老衲经过多月苦苦研究,在想钱到底去了哪儿。
终于给老衲发现,全世界的钱原来到了中东。

中东公司太有钱,都不需要把公司上市集资,中东的大集团全都是私人公司,可能也因为回教的教规限制,中东的股市不活跃。
现在全世界金融崩溃,为了生存,很多公司都折价要求中东公司出钱相救。
相信不久的将来,世界有潜质的大公司,大集团都会被中东公司所拥有。这样就富者越富。
以后要发展公司不是靠上市集资,而是向中东公司借钱,合伙。。。。
股市一潭死水,价格如何攀升?
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 楼主| 发表于 16-10-2008 12:39 PM | 显示全部楼层

回复 85# Mr.Business 的帖子

老衲是讲公司直接求救,这样公司会属于中东。
这和中国借钱给美国这种是完全不同的。
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 楼主| 发表于 16-10-2008 12:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
美国投资银行业几乎已是摇摇欲坠,许多投资者不禁要问一句:为什么中东的主权财富基金并未跟进买入?
    不到一年以前,这些基金纷纷以小份额入股各家华尔街银行。当油价创下每桶145美元的新高时,中东主权财富基金于是得以积聚更多的财富。然而,如今像高盛和摩根士丹利这样的大银行资产大缩水的时候,中东主权财富基金却没有随即咬这块蛋糕。

更诱人的选择

    原因很简单,据当事的中东银行家们称,如今在他们的投资版图里大量出现的,还有其他更诱人的资产选择。
    “全球市场的衰退,对于这些富裕的中东投资者来说,便是多了数之不尽的物超所值的好买卖,因为——从英国的球队俱乐部到俄罗斯的上市贸易公司,或者近在家门口的中东基础建设项目。”汇丰银行中东业务主管Youssef Nasr如是说。
    就在9月份,中东主权财富基金就打出了几项大手笔的买卖,当然,不是再往华尔街投钱。科威特投资局(Kuwait Investment Authority)入股本国国家电信公司,阿布扎比投资局(Abu Dhabi’s investment fund)收购了英超的曼城俱乐部。一只迪拜的基金在同英国房地产开发商Minerva谈判收购事宜,而沙特的大笔基金正在权衡与巴基斯坦农业产业的合作事项。
    中东银行家们说,鉴于自己所掌控的基金已经在美国金融机构注入了数十亿美元的投资,他们当下不会再考虑继续投入更多现金。Nasr先生认为,就因为那时候融资比较便宜,中东主权财富基金“几个月前投入的钱太多了,这超出了理想状态应有的水准 ”,因而让它们的投资组合整个“失衡”了,所以“现在他们考虑的是其他的方向”,以求投资多元化,即收购非金融机构的资产。
    经济预测公司Global Insight在伦敦和波士顿均有分支机构,它的主权财富风险监测部门的主管杨·兰道夫(Jan Randolph)认为,主权财富基金们“并未消失,它们要么还在观望,要么就是转向了别的领域”。

不做无意义的冒险

    也就是大半年以前,来自中东的投资还热衷于金融公司,而现在它们纷纷跳离,“因为现在危机的量级已经大得超乎任何人的想象。”兰道夫说,“现在谁也不应该冒无谓的风险。”如果去跟银行或者投行做生意,以此来试探紧缩的信贷市场的未来走向,这就是无意义的冒险。
    其实,规章限制、政治审查和管理问题也经常会将主权财富基金拒之门外。外国投资要想入股美国的金融机构,所受到的审查越来越严格,如果该项外国资金成为持股50%以上的大股东,其所受到的限制之严尤为突出。
    说到介入美国银行业的外国资本招致异乎寻常的关注,可追溯至1991年,其时,注册于卢森堡的国际信贷商业银行(Bank of Credit and Commerce International)被美国监管机关盯上,原因是该行购买了美国金融机构的大量股份却并未向监管机构披露其自身参与投资的详情。(而国际信贷银行在上世纪90年代引发的那次牵涉到诈骗、洗钱及资助恐怖组织的金融丑闻,其影响之巨甚至改变了国际金融监管制度,编者注)
    其实,政治考虑还在其次,看过中国中海油(Cnooc)与美国加州联合石油公司(Unocal)对决失败,没有一家主权财富基金会愿意陷入这样的同美国国会的消耗战中去。
    还有,中东主权财富基金一般都是人员精减,这样的人员规模要管理大型的投资银行,几乎很难再调动出大批的人手去参与对外合作业务,保护好本基金的利益。
    “所以,会有一些(针对金融机构、公司的)小份额收购行为,但我不认为会有大的投资出现。”总部设在香港的证券公司CFC Seymour的首席投资分析师Dariusz Kowalczyk说。
    还是有一些亚洲的主权财富基金对美国金融资产情有独钟。例如,韩国资产管理公司(Korea Asset Management Corporation,简称 Kamco)正属意购买近10亿美元的美国不良资产。
    美林的最大股东淡马锡控股(Temasek Holdings)甚至有可能斩获短线的收益。这家新加坡政府的投资公司投入59亿美元收购了美林14%的股份。如果按照彭博社之前的预计,假设美国银行(Bank of America)以500亿美元收购美林,这笔交易将为淡马锡带来15亿美元的利润。
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发表于 16-10-2008 12:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 16-10-2008 12:30 PM 发表
你们不了解中东人就不要讲多多。
中东人是有钱,但是他们为什么要救市?为什么要拿钱出来?
你讲得出理由,我讲你厉害。
如果我是中东人,我当然等你公司股价跌到够力够力才来以便宜价钱收购你公司。
用脑想一想 ...


晕,你说中东是包括哪些国家?
说了那么久,你只说中东、中东再中东,但是,严格来说,中东包括很多国家。
比如UAE、Saudi Arabia、Iraq、Iran、Qatar、 Kuwait等波斯湾国家,
还有就是Eygpt、Syria、Yemen、Oman等国家,
不是每个中东地区的国家都是有钱的。
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发表于 16-10-2008 12:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
我现在就在DUBAI, 在这里工作。这里确实花钱不长眼
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发表于 16-10-2008 12:52 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 16-10-2008 12:39 PM 发表
老衲是讲公司直接求救,这样公司会属于中东。
这和中国借钱给美国这种是完全不同的。


petrodollar你听过吗?
不妨研究。
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原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 16-10-2008 01:44 AM 发表
负责累累?
你对中东认识有几多?

老衲就认识一个有2000辆名贵私家车的中东人。
难道他贷款来买2000辆名贵车来玩?

自己用脑想一想,一个中东人的财富可以是2000个人(或以上)的财富,
如果有一百,一千个 ...


知识不是拿来比多少,是拿来分享与吸收。
如果你这样想,我也没办法。
觉得我分享下去也只是徒劳。
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原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 16-10-2008 12:30 PM 发表
你们不了解中东人就不要讲多多。
中东人是有钱,但是他们为什么要救市?为什么要拿钱出来?
你讲得出理由,我讲你厉害。
如果我是中东人,我当然等你公司股价跌到够力够力才来以便宜价钱收购你公司。
用脑想一想 ...

每次都见你叫人用脑去分析
就跟你讲,你讲他人的天下无敌
你还欠我一个答案,2个星期了
你的分身讲,认识军官,苏丹红人--,你还没给我名字

好,就跟你讲中东
我有位长辈的朋友,是一位建筑商
在2004年去了中东,发展

在2006年尾,去了迪拜

那里是海市神楼
是花钱的地方。。

你讲中东会等股票下的很低买进
你知道吗??
在2006,2007年中东-沙地来买进的公司,企业
到今天还不算进账很大,投资的比赚得还多
就拿iskandar  johor  
投资的钱进去
虽然只有40亿
(原本的投资钱更多)
现在还在慢慢的工程。。。
如果,有意天凶的中东客,放了这样多钱进来
几年后,没收获
你看会有甚么样结果。。。
你会笑不出。。。
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回复 92# liyen1708 的帖子

什么分身?老衲可没有什么分身,更没有看过施主的ID,完全不认识施主,
不要假会以为自己想的就是对的。
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发表于 16-10-2008 02:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 爱情是一种怪事 于 16-10-2008 02:04 PM 发表
什么分身?老衲可没有什么分身,更没有看过施主的ID,完全不认识施主,
不要假会以为自己想的就是对的。

虽,我在时事才几星期
看他们的贴,就明白


有时在陆的贴看到老纳。。
有时在你的贴,看到陆爱讲的寺主

是真是假,随你

希望,不要再用
天下无敌,你用脑去想。。。
这两位都爱讲的口头禅

好了。。
谢绝骂战。。。
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发表于 17-10-2008 06:12 AM | 显示全部楼层
市场已经注入超过6兆,可是投资者还是对市场没信心。我想你对这次的金融风暴也不是很了解。和你辩论真的是浪费时间,只是这是事实。。。。中东,还不成气候。整个政治环境那么糟,加上完全没有一个完整的体制的社会,你还说它是全世界的救主。。。。唉,你对中东的了解。。。。 如果中东像你说的那么强,就不会一次又一次的被美国凌辱。。。
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回复 97# 活在当下1982 的帖子

不好意思,"全世界的救主"这题目是我加的。。。
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发表于 17-10-2008 10:40 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 98# Mr.Business 的帖子

我原谅你, 因为你有放问号
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发表于 17-10-2008 10:46 AM | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Mr.Business 于 17-10-2008 09:03 AM 发表
不好意思,"全世界的救主"这题目是我加的。。。

罪人在这里
不是每个人都有看到那问号的,
所以我也越来越少在论坛献丑,
用来吹水就好
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发表于 17-10-2008 10:53 AM | 显示全部楼层

回复 98# Mr.Business 的帖子

原本的标题是什么?中东将是?
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阿拉丁神灯也爆裂了


迪拜资不抵债 阿拉伯财富神话破灭   2008-10-17

    穆迪在最新报告中表示,迪拜负债增长迅猛,严重地超出安全边界,已独力难支,阿联酋中央政府对迪拜债务的态度已成为问题的关键。  

公开债务1.03倍GDP

  《21世纪经济报道》指出,按照这份报告解读,迪拜政府相关负债分两部分,即获评级的五家公司负债,以及迪拜政府控制的公司其它12种未获评级的负债。

  获评级的公司有:迪拜控股集团(Dubai Holdings Commercial Operations Group)、迪拜国际金融中心投资公司(DIFC Investments)、迪拜环球港务集团(DP World)、迪拜水电部(Dubai Electricity & Water Authority)与杰拜勒·阿里自由区(Jebel Ail Free Zone)。

  这五家公司外债分别为:迪拜控股各种常规债券债务28亿美元;迪拜国际金融中心投资公司发行伊斯兰债券12.5亿美元;迪拜环球港务集团伊斯兰债券15亿美元,同时,还发行了12.5亿美元的欧洲中期债券(EMTN);迪拜水电部则发行了10亿美元以迪拉姆计伊斯兰债券(AED Sukuk)与20亿美元应收账款债券(Receiveables Securitisation);杰拜勒·阿里自由区发行的20亿美元的AED Sukuk。

  五家公司的评级债券总额达118亿美元。除此之外,迪拜政府控制的公司还有其它未获评级外债358亿美元。

  其中,依玛尔房产公司(Emaar Properties)外债为24.23亿美元;阿联酋航空集团(Emirate Group)2007—2008年各种债务与借款高达37.39亿美元;而著名的迪拜世界集团(Dubai World)则举债55亿美元,用于为购买MGM(美国著名公司)的再融资;迪拜环球港务(DP World),2007财年所有银行借款则达25.28亿美元;迪拜控股2007财年各种银行借款及透支达14.82亿美元;而迪拜交易所(Borse Dubai)因购买股票交易设备举债37.8亿美元;棕榈岛集团(Nakheel)2006—2008年发行伊斯兰债券达45亿美元,2007财年的长期贷款27.65亿美元,共达72.65亿美元;迪拜港口与自由区世界(Ports & Free Zone World)收购融资12.5亿美元;迪拜航空(Dubai Aerospace)银团贷款10亿美元;干船坞世界(Drydocks World)银团贷款22亿美元;迪拜民航局(Dept.of Civil Aviation)2009年到期的10亿美元伊斯兰债券和迪拜中央政府(Central Govenment)2007年底69亿迪拉姆债务与今年4月的65亿迪拉姆债券,合共134亿迪拉姆,折合美元为36.49亿。

  由此,迪拜政府背景的公司(Dubai Inc.)负债总额达到476.16亿美元,而2006年(最新公布的GDP数据)迪拜为460亿美元,也就是说,迪拜目前的公开债务是其GDP的1.03倍。

未来五年还得举债

  穆迪表示,上述债务为保守的计算。因为尚有许多GRI(government-related issuers,政府相关发行人)的债务并未公布。于近期进行融资的60亿美元的迪拜ICD公司的债务也未包括其中,而这部分债务,则可能该公司是为其已有的债务进行融资,即借新还旧。如果加上其它的一些债券,迪拜的债务与其2006年GDP的比值,将超过1.03倍。因为这些公司都将可能得到政府的帮助,这些债务最终将可能并入政府的资产负债表,因此迪拜财政的杠杆实在难以完整计算出来。

  而穆迪认为,迪拜的杠杆还将持续攀升,有超过GDP增长速度的趋势,至少未来五年内会如此,只有一些迪拜的大型项目完工后运作良好,自由现金流出现净流入,迪拜财政才开始去杠杆。但如果目前这项目不能立即竣工,迪拜杠杆持续攀升的时间还将可能延长。

  穆迪的研究报告认为,迪拜可能面临四大核心风险:执行风险、全球经济下滑风险、地区性政治风险以及融资与流动性风险。

  虽然迪拜的经济受益于地区性需求,但迪拜的经济很大程度上也依赖于欧洲(特别是英国)与亚洲,而这两个地区也正进行经济调整,面临经济增速放缓。

阿联酋态度是关键

  穆迪的报告称:“未来的很长一段时间内,迪拜将更多地依赖于阿联酋联邦与阿布扎比。”穆迪认为,单凭迪拜自己的财政资源,可能不足以应付可能发生的危机。

  穆迪认为,在明年,迪拜将史无前例的依靠阿联酋联邦政府,直到其2015年发展战略中制订的项目与计划,能与其目前的发展状况相适应为止。

  穆迪认为,阿联酋作为一个整体是很大的资本输出国。穆迪表示,2006年,阿布扎比的财政收入达530亿美元。IMF2008年2月一项报告预测阿布扎比的金融资产在2500亿美元至8750亿美元之间。而迪拜政府相关负债为470亿美元,与阿布扎比的资产相比,算不上是个大数。

  但是穆迪警告,一切取决于阿联酋国家的团结,如果其它酋长国不拯救迪拜,阿联酋整体大量的资本结余对于迪拜的债权人来说没有任何意义。






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