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 楼主| 发表于 17-9-2020 11:23 PM | 显示全部楼层
oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:10 PM
华为是全世界唯一,宣布公开核心代码的通信企业。也是被全世界各大情报组织调查,至今没有调查出有害信息的公司。

相比美国窃听全世界,华为安全的多。

公开个皮?那些代码是他们的吗?
华为公然抄袭,工程界人尽皆知。它打算公开 5G 代码,搞到很多业界不爽。为何?
它其实很多是“抄袭” Ericcson, Cisco, Nokia 的代码。这样公然公开,不就等于把大家努力多年的知识产权给白白浪费了吗?
华为是非常自私且歹毒的公司,知道被多家公司提侵权告,就打算玉石俱焚、一拍两散。



Top Five Cases of Huawei IP Theft and Patent Infringement
By Jeff Ferry, CPA Research Director
Last week, Canadian authorities arrested the Chief Financial Officer of Huawei, Sabrina Meng Wanzhou. The US government alleges that she was involved in a plot to circumvent US sanctions on Iran by using a dummy company, secretly owned by Huawei, to sell networking equipment to Iran.
Some of the US and European press have labeled Huawei a Chinese “national hero,” praising the company as one of China’s top technology companies. The reality is that Huawei has been a leader player in stealing western technology by blatantly using it without paying royalties for patents. Huawei also hires western engineers to gain access to their confidential knowledge, and often directs engineers to steal documents from US and other western technology companies.
Huawei is no minor player either. It is the world’s largest provider of Internet and telecom equipment. Last year, its revenue was $92 billion and this year it expects to breach the $100 billion mark. It is the world leader in equipment for cellular networks, for fiber-optic networks, and recently became the world’s number two manufacturer of smartphones, ahead of Apple. Just as the US Internet could not function without Cisco, the Chinese Internet could not function without Huawei. Everywhere else in the world, the two companies go head-to-head. Huawei is alleged to be privately owned, but has always benefited from generous Chinese government support. It was founded by a former officer in the Chinese Army, Ren Zhengfei, who is secretive and rarely gives interviews. One of his daughters, Sabrina, is Huawei’s CFO, while his younger daughter, Annabel Yao, is a Harvard student who recently took time out from her studies to be a debutante at a Paris society ball.
The US government, along with governments in Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, is worried about national security issues involved in building the next generation of 5G high-speed wireless networks using Huawei equipment. For the US, nothing could better illustrate the security issues that arise from leaving technology development to the “free market.” Two decades ago, the US had three world-class wireless technology companies, Lucent Technologies, Nortel Networks, and Motorola. Today, these three companies no longer exist as independent entities. Their decline was due partly to their own management mistakes, but also to the relentless downward pressure on equipment prices from Huawei, which used Chinese government support to drive down prices in the networking industry.
Today, Huawei is playing a key role in helping Beijing fulfill its ‘China 2025’ objectives of becoming a world leader in technology. Here are five of the most egregious instances of Huawei's IP theft.
1. Huawei Steals Motorola’s Wireless Technology.
On February 28, 2007, a Motorola engineer named Hanjuan Jin was stopped by customs agents at O’Hare Airport. Agents searched her and found $30,000 in cash, a carry-on bag full of Motorola documents marked “confidential and proprietary,” and a one-way ticket to Beijing. She was arrested.
Subsequent investigations by the FBI revealed that Jin was simultaneously working for another company, Lemko, while she was working for Motorola.  According to court documents filed in Chicago by prosecutors in 2010, Lemko was founded by Motorola engineer Shaowei Pan in 2004, shortly after Pan met with Huawei founder and CEO Ren Zhengfei and other top Huawei executives on a trip to China. According to federal prosecutors, Lemko’s goal was to build wireless technology for Huawei based on Motorola technology. Pan later emailed Ren to say: “If our plan can progress smoothly, Lemko will be the company we are planning to establish, and it will be independent of Motorola Inc.”
According to his LinkedIn page, Pan earned a PhD at the University of Wisconsin and worked at Motorola for 10 years, in which time he was responsible for 60 patents and rose to become Director of Architecture in Motorola’s wireless business unit. Federal officials said that although Pan wiped his computer clean with file-destruction software, some documents survived. According to federal prosecutors, Pan sent pages of confidential Motorola documents detailing Motorola’s wireless network designs to a Huawei vice president. Until at least 2006, Pan requested and received numerous “dump files” and “log files” containing confidential Motorola software code from two Motorola engineers, one being his wife and the other a Chinese-born Motorola employee named Xuefeng Bai.
The court document says: “Defendant Shaowei Pan and the other defendants secretly were engaged in new product development for Huawei…Huawei and its officers knew they were receiving stolen Motorola proprietary trade secrets and confidential information without Motorola’s authorization and consent.”
The case was settled in 2010 on confidential terms. Huawei has since built the world’s number one wireless infrastructure business, with a 28 percent share of a $37 billion global business. Its “EasyGSM” base station for 2G wireless networks, which was effectively Motorola technology according to federal prosecutors, played a significant role in its growth. Motorola’s wireless business declined, and the company was sold to Nokia in 2010.  Engineer Hanjuan Jin, caught redhanded, was convicted in criminal court, and sentenced to four years prison. Incredibly, Shaowei Pan still runs Lemko, a wireless technology company in Schaumburg, Illinois, although its website contains no customer names.
2. Huawei Hacks Cisco’s Source Code.
In 2003, Internet equipment market leader Cisco Systems filed a lawsuit against Huawei, accusing the Chinese company of a “systematic and wholesale infringement of Cisco’s intellectual property.” Cisco accused Huawei of stealing the software code for Cisco’s Versatile Routing Platform routers. Routers are the key “intelligence” inside the global Internet, directing billions of Internet bits and bytes down the right path at blazingly fast speeds.
The case was settled confidentially in 2004, so there are few details available. But in 2012, a senior Huawei executive claimed publicly that the Chinese company did not use Cisco source code. Cisco General Counsel Mark Chandler reacted angrily, invoking the right under the 2004 settlement to correct any public misstatements by the other party. In a Cisco blog, Chandler wrote, “this litigation involved allegations by Cisco of direct, verbatim copying of our source code, to say nothing of our command line interface, our help screens, our copyrighted manuals and other elements of our products.”
Chandler then quoted from the June 15, 2004 report by the court-appointed “Neutral Expert.” This report condemned Huawei’s IP theft in no uncertain terms: “The Cisco code was electronically copied and inserted into [Huawei’s] [CODE NAME REDACTED]…Two library files from Cisco’s Internetwork Operating System were compromised….Huawei replaced the library code…but the replacement methodology was flawed and must be redone.”
Although Cisco’s confidential settlement got Huawei to remove the copied source code, Huawei’s growth continued unabated. In 2002, Huawei’s revenue was just $2.1 billion. Cisco’s revenue that year was $18.9 billion, nine times greater. Last year, Huawei’s revenue reached $92 billion, 87 percent ahead of Cisco’s $49.3 billion. Early this century, Cisco began a campaign to win more business in China. The company pledged in 2007 to invest $16 billion in China over a subsequent five years and to double its manufacturing capacity there. It bought around 50 companies in China. Highly respected Cisco CEO John Chambers once told a group of Asian journalists: “If I wasn’t American, I’d be Chinese.”
Yet in 2016, Cisco had to admit that its China revenue was disappointing. Analysts estimate it remains a single-digit percentage of Cisco’s total. Chinese favoritism for local companies, particularly in valuable technology industries, makes it virtually impossible for US companies to succeed there. And Chinese companies, with Huawei as a trailblazer, explicitly target US rivals. In its 2013 Annual Report, Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei called on the company’s 150,000 employees to work hard and focus on overtaking US competitors: “The light that shines in Silicon Valley continues to shine. It is still a model for us to learn from…the Strategy and Development Committee proposed surpassing US companies and enjoying the ride…if we are complacent and stand still for just three months we will be erased from history.”
3. Huwaei Violates PanOptis Patents, Ordered to Pay $10 Million in Damages.
The ink is barely dry on this one. On August 27, a jury in Texas found Huawei guilty of violating five patents held by an American firm, PanOptis, and awarded PanOptis $10.56 million. The damages were high because the jury decided the patent violations were “willful.” The patents involved software techniques used by smartphones to receive and display video, as well as other essential smartphone services. In its filings, PanOptis  executives said they held many meetings with Huawei, including traveling to Shenzhen at their own expense to discuss licensing arrangements. Huawei refused to license the patents, yet incorporated the technology in virtually every major Huawei smartphone.
4. Huawei Tries to Use MPEG Technology Without Licensing It, Gets Caught.
It’s not just US courts that have found Huawei guilty of patent and intellectual property infringement. Just one month ago, a court in Dusseldorf, Germany found Huawei, along with its smaller Chinese rival ZTE, guilty of infringing several patents of the MPEG consortium. Those patents cover the software algorithms that enable computers and smartphones to turn high-definition video into low-bandwidth forms of video known as AVC and H.264, that can be transmitted on wireless networks and then viewed on smartphones.
As an industry consortium, MPEG takes a non-combative approach to technology companies, nearly all of whom are happy to license AVC video technology at the reasonable rates it asks. Commented MPEG CEO Larry Horn after the decision: “The Landgericht Düsseldorf’s decision confirms the importance of respect for intellectual property…We continue to welcome Huawei and ZTE to join the nearly 2,000 Licensees who have entered into our AVC License.”
5. Huawei Infringes on SolarEdge Patents.
Already the leading player in the worldwide networking industry, Huawei has also extended its interests into solar power. It is now one of the leading manufacturers of inverters—the devices that convert the direct current produced by solar cells into alternating current used in homes and businesses. In the solar industry too, Huawei appears to be up to its old tricks, according to competitor SolarEdge.
SolarEdge is a young company in the inverter business. Founded in Israel and listed in the US on the NASDAQ stock market, SolarEdge holds 126 patents in solar power technology. In June of this year, SolarEdge filed a lawsuit against Huawei, charging it with patent infringement and intellectual property theft. “Innovation requires significant financial investment and years of dedication and hard work from skilled R&D engineers,” said SolarEdge founder and CEO Guy Sella. “The PV industry cannot sustain such efforts under the constant threat of, in our view, illegal use of proprietary technology and we will not remain silent as our intellectual property is exploited.”
Huawei issued a statement denying patent infringement. A decision in the case is yet to come.
Conclusion
In some of its court filings, Huawei cites decisions by Chinese courts stating that patent royalties demanded by US companies are too high and unjustified. This provides some insight into Chinese thinking. It is an article of faith within the Chinese Communist Party and Chinese corporate leaders that American companies are exploiting their technological edge to shut out Chinese companies. Despite the fact that virtually every other country in the world agrees with, and participates in, the global system of patent protection, Chinese leaders fundamentally dislike it and repeatedly try to undermine it. This justification underlies the widespread IP theft and related practices by which China has tried to wrest technology from US companies without paying for it.
Huawei is indeed a leader in this practice, and perhaps the most successful Chinese company in building a huge global business based on copycat technology, very low prices funded by state subsidies, a protected home market, and aggressive sales techniques in overseas markets. It is not surprising to see the Communist leadership working hard to free Sabrina Meng Wanzhou. Ren Zhengfei is calling in his chips for his daughter.
For the US, Huawei’s role in busting Iranian sanctions is just one matter.  The broader issue—of a networking industry that has been turned upside down by Huawei’s aggressive actions—is equally important. Today the US has no wireless system manufacturer to lead the charge on 5G wireless networks. Becoming dependent on high-quality European companies like Ericsson seems preferable to depending on Chinese companies. But the need for an American company in this vital industry is overwhelming.





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 楼主| 发表于 17-9-2020 11:31 PM | 显示全部楼层
oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:10 PM
华为是全世界唯一,宣布公开核心代码的通信企业。也是被全世界各大情报组织调查,至今没有调查出有害信息的公司。

相比美国窃听全世界,华为安全的多。

我看得起你是资深五毛,觉得你应该懂很多。
个个背后都有红二代,甚至现任政府撑腰。

打个比喻,张一鸣的抖音,花了巨额并购国外公司,还能烧几亿美元做广告,每年亏过亿美元还一直没事的生存。矽谷就算再多有钱人,都不会这样去流水地注资。
除非,背后注资的是拥有大笔资金的财主。为何要不断注资给这种亏大钱的公司呢?目的是什么?
它只要稍微修改 algorithm,推一些对中国有利的视频,丑化美国某些政客的视频,就可以轻易达到操控世界政经的手段了。
很多点子很好的美国科技公司,估值虽然破几十亿,但真正拿到手的资金没有这么多,如果和可以不断砸钱的张一鸣公司相比,矽谷的科技公司根本不上道。
你以为甲骨文、微软是为了这些用户而买抖音吗?他们是想和中共有联系,达到更多的企业利益!这些根本不是单纯的商业动机,都是充满政治因素。

你别告诉我,马云、丁磊、任正非、马化腾。。。这种,都是白手兴家的?
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发表于 17-9-2020 11:34 PM | 显示全部楼层
学猫叫 发表于 17-9-2020 11:23 PM
公开个皮?那些代码是他们的吗?
华为公然抄袭,工程界人尽皆知。它打算公开 5G 代码,搞到很多业界不爽。为何?
它其实很多是“抄袭” Ericcson, Cisco, Nokia 的代码。这样公然公开,不就等于把大家努力多年的 ...

呵呵!

华为几十年,就找到这么几个案件。
2个秘密审理,案情不公开。
其他几个不过是专利纠纷而已,任何科技公司都遇到过。


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学猫叫 发表于 17-9-2020 11:31 PM
我看得起你是资深五毛,觉得你应该懂很多。
个个背后都有红二代,甚至现任政府撑腰。

打个比喻,张一鸣的抖音,花了巨额并购国外公司,还能烧几亿美元做广告,每年亏过亿美元还一直没事的生存。矽谷就算再多有 ...

小朋友,你对世界资本市场一无所知。

你有好项目,不是会烧钱就可以,还要有好的业绩。
中国市场有100%、200%、500%的成长,财团当然愿意继续烧钱。
亏几亿美元算个屁,中国网约车大战的时候,每天几千万的投入。
现在最大的滴滴,每年营业额1900亿人民币。



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oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:34 PM
呵呵!

华为几十年,就找到这么几个案件。
2个秘密审理,案情不公开。
其他几个不过是专利纠纷而已,任何科技公司都遇到过。

华为几十年?之前做什么的?卖车的啊?。。。哦。不是,卖零件的(很快华为要回去老本行了)。拜托,华为是习近平上台后才被捧的。
如果只是单纯“很多公司”都有的专利纠纷,而不是一直公然抄袭,然后用北京的资金来获取世界的手机份额,欧美就不会气到联手来对付华为了。
记得吗?很多欧洲国家在去年还很支持华为 5G 的,现在呢?凡事都有前因后果的。


说到前因后果,本来特朗普也没太禁 Tiktok,就是 Tiktok 听了北京指示,故意带动黑命贵运动,还有拿了特朗普选战的票而不入场,搞到特朗普生气,才一心想要做跨 Tiktok。如果 Tiktok 当时什么都不做,也许特朗普不会禁止,反而让 Tiktok 悄悄做大。

本性黑暗,将有恶报。天意难违。
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 楼主| 发表于 17-9-2020 11:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:38 PM
小朋友,你对世界资本市场一无所知。

你有好项目,不是会烧钱就可以,还要有好的业绩。
中国市场有100%、200%、500%的成长,财团当然愿意继续烧钱。

你开过科技公司吗?融资过吗?你懂个皮。有成长,没盈利,就有公司愿意注资几十亿。那些公司是傻子吗?

承认吧,背后那只手,根本就是北京!
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发表于 17-9-2020 11:51 PM | 显示全部楼层
学猫叫 发表于 17-9-2020 11:38 PM
华为几十年?之前做什么的?卖车的啊?。。。哦。不是,卖零件的(很快华为要回去老本行了)。拜托,华为是习近平上台后才被捧的。
如果只是单纯“很多公司”都有的专利纠纷,而不是一直公然抄袭,然后用北京的资 ...

小朋友,你对华为一无所知,自己google一下很难吗?

2010年,华为超越了Nokia-Siemens和Alcatel-Lucent,成为全球仅次于Ericsson的第二大通信设备制造商。
2013年,华为超过Ericsson成为全球第一通讯设备供应商。


你以前不知道华为,因为华为不卖消费者产品,只有通讯商了解。
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发表于 17-9-2020 11:54 PM | 显示全部楼层
学猫叫 发表于 17-9-2020 11:40 PM
你开过科技公司吗?融资过吗?你懂个皮。有成长,没盈利,就有公司愿意注资几十亿。那些公司是傻子吗?

承认吧,背后那只手,根本就是北京!

科技公司不盈利就获得注资的案例,世界上多的是。google、FB都是亏损多年!

你没见过,不代表不存在。
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 楼主| 发表于 18-9-2020 05:36 AM | 显示全部楼层
oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:54 PM
科技公司不盈利就获得注资的案例,世界上多的是。google、FB都是亏损多年!

你没见过,不代表不存在。

你真的是门外汉,Google 和 FB ,恰恰是矽谷投资者对于科技股给高估值的指标。而且两家公司都是还未 IPO 已经赚钱了。Google 刚上市时,很多投资者不明白科技股操作模式,用它和普通商业股本益比来比较,所以很多大投资者包括投资机构、私募资金等,都看走眼了。在谷歌还没上市时,已经赚钱了。到了 FB 2012 上市年代,并不是投资者全部醒悟过来,虽然已经赚钱了。相比之下,Tiktok 每年烧过亿美元的亏损,根本看不到盈利模式。有些公司单纯是受到当年看走眼的例子,以为 用户基数 = 赚钱能力,所以奋不顾身地往拥有用户人数高的公司砸钱。
中共抬捧的企业,都是玩烧钱这套。企业技术人员不够硬,可以挖角 - 用钱。点子被人盗走了,可以并购 - 用钱。用户不够多,可以拼命打广告 - 用钱。
中共就是擅于玩烧钱捧企业这套,不然,musical ly 这种,创办人也是来自中国,但缺乏政治背景,拼死拼活不断融资也难以生存。可张一鸣平地一声雷,几十亿美金在手拼命砸。如果张一鸣有这么多钱,根本不用搞创业,直接购买或在科技股公司入资就可以当老板了。但他有政治背景,他“必须”要做出这类可以掌控世界用户的科技企业。很多人拼命吹捧张一鸣多厉害,但没多少人质问他的北京字节跳动公司的钱,源自于哪里?

本来张一鸣是想套现保资产,但北京不愿意,里面的程序肯定有猫腻,所以字节跳动和甲骨文的合作方式,卖美国业务不卖程序的做法,我个人是相当开心的。这样美国有很好的理由可以操刀干掉 Tiktok ,特朗普目前唯一顾虑是太多美国用户会引起反效果,但那些多数是民主党州属的年轻人,他这一刀下去,说不定可以拿回一些中间选票。

关于 Tiktok 带有邪恶控制力量,我真的是希望它从世界上地图上消失,只留在中国里面,让中共去像微博、微信那样去控制那些韭菜。
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 楼主| 发表于 18-9-2020 05:44 AM | 显示全部楼层
oyak999 发表于 17-9-2020 11:51 PM
小朋友,你对华为一无所知,自己google一下很难吗?

2010年,华为超越了Nokia-Siemens和Alcatel-Lucent,成为全球仅次于Ericsson的第二大通信设备制造商。
2013年,华为超过Ericsson成为全球第一通讯设备供应 ...

我开始发觉,你是不讲道理和事实,只求不断东凑一点,西拼一点的拿例子来蒙,那些看不懂的人以为你很有道理,但是明白事情真相的人觉得你乱来。所以当我讥讽华为在国际上并没有“几十年”历史(很明显是讥讽),你就赶紧找资料反驳。当我说字节跳动根本没盈利模式,你就找谷歌和 FB 这种反面例子来反驳。
胡来到,真是和傻子辩,浪费时间。
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学猫叫 发表于 18-9-2020 05:44 AM
我开始发觉,你是不讲道理和事实,只求不断东凑一点,西拼一点的拿例子来蒙,那些看不懂的人以为你很有道理,但是明白事情真相的人觉得你乱来。所以当我讥讽华为在国际上并没有“几十年”历史(很明显是讥讽),你 ...

老子从来没有跟两毛和大马中华蕉辩论,因为他们没脑,浪费时间。

所以,老子都是直接打脸它们,不用给脸,因为它们没有脸。

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中国不容许外人说三道四,颠覆是非
那些说华为的鸿蒙系统是抄袭的根本是无稽之谈!

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学猫叫 发表于 18-9-2020 05:36 AM
你真的是门外汉,Google 和 FB ,恰恰是矽谷投资者对于科技股给高估值的指标。而且两家公司都是还未 IPO 已经赚钱了。Google 刚上市时,很多投资者不明白科技股操作模式,用它和普通商业股本益比来比较,所以很多 ...

哦哦哦!

全世界你最聪明,那些要买TikTok的美国公司都是傻子。
你不应该在这里,总理应该请你当马来西亚经济部长。

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字节跳动:
以下是几次主要融资时间和估值数据。
2013年,6千万美元
2014年,5亿美元
2016年,110亿美元
2017年,220亿美元
2018年,750亿美元
从2013、2014、2016、2017年到2018年最后一轮融资,估值分别增长了1249倍、149倍、5.8倍、2.4倍。5年间增长1249倍,历史罕见。


另一方面,字节跳动的盈利能力很强,15年就能实现盈亏平衡,16-18年广告营收如下。
2016年,60亿人民币
2017年,150亿人民币
2018年,500亿人民币
……

2019年的收入超过170亿美元,净利润超过30亿美元。其2019年的收入比2018年的约74亿美元高出一倍还多。

字节跳动公司在2020年Q1的营收约为400亿元人民币(约56.4亿美元),同比增长130%。另外,该公司在线下市场的资本估值已经高达950亿美元到1400亿美元。


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据彭博早前报导,Facebook子公司Instagram在2019年的广告收入约200亿美元,Google视频部门YouTube则为151亿美元。



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应该就事论事么,人身攻击就没啥意思了
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应该就事论事么,人身攻击就没啥意思了
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