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发表于 3-7-2007 06:38 PM
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四种水平的认识:
1. 一个确实知道而且了解自己不足的人是智者,追随他。
2. 一个确实知道但不知道他知道的人是沉睡者,唤醒他。
3. 一个确实不知道而且知道他不知道的人是学生,教他。
4. 一个不知道他不知道的人是傻瓜,别理他。 |
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发表于 3-7-2007 07:24 PM
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生活节俭
不管你信不信,你通常可以在孩子们三四岁时就预知将来他们是否能成为富有的人。如果他们拿到零用钱之后立刻就买糖果,而且第二天就向你借了你知道永远也不会还的一元,我们都不希望他们一辈子都这样。但令人遗憾的是,他们往往一辈子都这样。
但是,如果一个孩子很节省零用钱,终是把一部份钱存起来,你可以确信他将来很有可能实现经济上的独立。
而一个把零用钱投资于糖果,贱买贵卖以牟利润的节俭的孩子可能成为另一个巴菲特。
巴菲特和索罗斯天生节俭,如果你不节俭,你就保不住已经赚到的钱。花钱很容易,赚钱却不容易。正因如此,投资大师的成功基础“保住资本”正是以节俭思想为根基的。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:07 PM
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你可能想学巴菲特,规定自己在陷入险境时立刻退出......先抛售,在分析。你也可能使用精算式的风险控制法。
不管你选择什么式样的“安全余地”,它必须成为你的系统基础的一部份并与你的系统规矩紧密结合才能发挥作用。
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:23 PM
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这是我的优点,可惜随着年龄的增长,开始就慢慢减少了,因为生活开销增大了,也想过些比较好的日子,所以比较喜欢研究投资的方法。已经很少再丢资金进入股市了。
不过,一开始时如果不生活节俭,就很难有第一笔资金。当然也有很多人家里有米,但是我们穷人要有第一笔资金就要生活节俭,因为没有多少个天才,通常穷人就算怎样生活节俭存回来的钱都有可能投资失败。
所以从零开始的成功是非常困难的。中间有太多可以失败的因素,所以小心,学习,发问是很重要的。
虽然开始时能力和资金都很少,但是只要有小心,就能够走远路。走路久了就会增加资金和能力,那时候成功就会慢慢来。
这是我的认为 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:26 PM
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原帖由 8years 于 4-7-2007 12:23 PM 发表
这是我的优点,可惜随着年龄的增长,开始就慢慢减少了,因为生活开销增大了,也想过些比较好的日子,所以比较喜欢研究投资的方法。已经很少再丢资金进入股市了。
不过,一开始时如果不生活节俭,就很难有第一 ...
感觉到你常常能够引起同理心,你是不是有研究心理学? |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:35 PM
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回复 #45 hmjj 的帖子
因为是经验和人生道路走出来的
我失败很多次,每一次都在痛苦中站起来,每一次的失败都使防守能力更强。要成功的意念没有在失败中消失,反而越来越强。每一次的失败头脑就越变越精。由于小心,所以每次的失败都有重来的机会(因为死不完)。
强大不是如何成功,而是不断的在挫折中不停的向成功进发,没有任何失败或阻力可以阻止要成功的心。这就是强大,就是成功。
没有多少个人是天才。愚笨的我们要成功只好靠毅力和慢慢的智力增加来达到成功。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:39 PM
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为什么失败不可耻,因为只有天才才能够不必失败而成功。庸才如我们就只能靠失败来增加我们的智慧。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:44 PM
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你如何处理错误?
投资大师也会犯错,比如没有遵守自己的系统,或者忽视了某种因素而作了不该作的投资。
像投资大师一样,你应该考虑你是否已经偏离了自己的系统,注意那些你可能会忽视的因素。如果你认识到你已经犯了一个错误,你必须承认错误,放弃你的寸头(习惯14).
然后,你应该分析犯错的原因并从中吸取教训(习惯15)。应该重点研究在你控制之下的因素--也就是你自己的行为。
对大多数人来讲,从错误中学习最难的环节就是承认错误,自我批评,并客观的分析错误。
接受错误,并将错误当成学习机会的态度才是最重要的。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 12:49 PM
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发表于 4-7-2007 01:03 PM
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完整的系统
一个完整的系统包含有关下列12个问题的详细规则:
1.买什么?
2.何时买?
3.出价多少?
4.怎么买?
5.买入量占投资组合的比例多大?
6.投资后的监控。
7.何时卖?
8.投资组合的结构和杠杆(工具,手段)的使用。
9.调查方法。
10.对市场崩溃这样的系统性冲击的防范措施。
11.处理错误。
12.在系统无效时怎么做?
你可能对某些系统胸有成竹,当你对全部12个问题都胸有成竹时,你的系统就是一个完整的系统了。
[ 本帖最后由 hmjj 于 4-7-2007 01:04 PM 编辑 ] |
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发表于 4-7-2007 01:25 PM
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How to invest in the right business
PERSONAL INVESTING
By OOI KOK HWA
There are four main criteria in choosing the right business for investment. They are a business that can be easily understood; has favourable long-term prospects; has good management; and attractive pricing.
BUYING stocks are like buying businesses. How do you select the right businesses for long-term investment?
Selecting the right business to invest in is always a tough decision. Warren Buffett, in his address as chairman to Berkshire Hathaway shareholders, said he uses four main criteria to select the right business: a business that he understands, one with favourable long-term prospects, one that is operated by honest and competent people; and is available at a very attractive price.
Buffett always stresses on staying within our circle of competence. As the value of a company is dependent on the present value of its future cashflow, a business that we buy must be simple and have stable and predictable future cashflow.
According to him, “What counts for most people in investing is not how much they know, but rather how realistically they define what they don’t know. An investor needs to do very few things right as long as he or she avoids big mistakes”.
Hence, we need to understand the business that we invest in. We may miss out on many good opportunities in investing in some Mesdaq companies with new technologies. However, it is safer to miss out on these great opportunities if we cannot comprehend how these businesses generate their cashflow.
For a company to have favourable long-term prospects, it needs to have a good economic franchise, strong long-term pricing power, and high entry barrier. It needs to be able to command good product pricing by not losing its market share or increasing its production volume at minimal additional capital investment.
A company that has strong pricing power and purchasing power will enjoy handsome profit margins.
Besides, we need to identify the dominant players in an industry. Normally, these companies have the competitive strengths that their competitors and potential entrants find impossible to emulate. One way to check on these is by looking at the absolute amount of their turnover. In Malaysia, a company with a turnover of above RM500mil a year can be considered as one of the key players in its industry.
According to Mary Buffett and David Clark in their book titled The New Buffettology, there are four areas in which Buffett discovers companies with hidden wealth. These companies have durable competitive advantage over their competitors. The four areas are:
# businesses which have a repetitive consumer need with products that wear out fast or are used up quickly and have brand appeal
# the advertising business
# businesses that provide repetitive services that people and businesses are consistently in need of
# products that most people have to buy at some time in their life.
These four areas are very closely related to consumer demand and expenditure.
As a result of the recent accounting frauds involving Transmile Group Bhd and Megan Media Holdings Bhd, investors began to have doubts over the management of other listed companies.
Philip A. Fisher, the author of investment book Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits, stressed that investors must choose a company with a management of unquestionable integrity.
As retailers are minority shareholders with no controlling power, the company’s value will very much depend on the management and investment decisions made by its major shareholders. Hence, investors should always check on the integrity of these managers.
Investors need to be careful when investing in companies with high expansion, high trade receivables and poor internal controls. They may also need to pay attention to some negative rumours spreading in the market. In most times, negative rumours carry more weight than the positive rumours.
Lastly, we will only buy a business if it provides a margin of safety. According to Benjamin Graham, if a company is selling at a 33% discount to its intrinsic value, the investment is said to provide a margin of safety. One way to judge how cheap a stock is by looking into its price-earnings ratio as compared with that of its competitors.
# Ooi Kok Hwa is a licensed investment adviser and managing partner of MRR Consulting.
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/s ... 29&sec=business |
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发表于 4-7-2007 01:31 PM
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总会有令你沮伤的时候,也就是找不到任何投资机会的时候。
在这种时候,你应该像大师们一样保持“耐心”,继续寻找(习惯10)。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 01:57 PM
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原帖由 Mr.Business 于 4-7-2007 01:25 PM 发表
How to invest in the right business
PERSONAL INVESTING
By OOI KOK HWA
There are four main criteria in choosing the right business for investment. They are a business that can be easily und ...
巴菲特的八项投资标准:
1.必须是消费垄断企业。
2.产品简单、易了解、前景看好。
3.有稳定的经营史。
4.经营者理性、忠诚,始终以股东利益为先。
5.财务稳健。
6.经营效率高、受益好。
7.资本支出少,自由现金流量充裕。
8.价格合理。
就价格合理来讲,个人觉得不能够单看PE Ratio,因为PE只是以过去的盈利来计算。公司未来的前景也很重要。 |
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发表于 4-7-2007 02:36 PM
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如果你找到了一个符合你所有标准的投资对象,而且它的价格是你能够接受的,在下决定之前,请注意几件事:
1.把为什么买及能够接受的价格写下来。把所有事情都写下来,就可以轻松恢复记忆并监控投资的进展。在效果不理想时,也可以回顾过去,思考一下当初是否犯了错误。
2.把准备什么情况之下出售写下来(习惯12)。每做一笔投资都将事先制定的退出策略写下来会赋予你一种大多数投 资者都不具备的纪律性。这样做有助于你监控投资的进展。正确出售的时机将变得极为明显。
3.把你所期望的结果写下来。
4.把有可能发生的其他所有事情都写下来。
5.如果实际发生的正是这些以外事件,而不是你所期望的事情,你打算怎么做?把计划写下来。
你绝对无法控制市场,你能控制的只是自己的反应。
对你所想像出的每一种情况,你都应该把相应的应对措施写下来。就算市场真的发生了“某种变化”,你也之道该怎么做。巴菲特把这称做“诺亚法则:预测下不下雨不重要,重要的是建造方舟。”
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发表于 10-8-2007 11:00 AM
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我们绝对无法控制市场,我们能控制的只是自己的反应。 |
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发表于 10-8-2007 11:09 AM
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好久不見了,最近怎样,還好吧?
炒股就是斗争,与天斗其乐无穷,与地斗其乐无穷,与庄斗其乐无穷;经验和技巧固然重要,站在人性高度上战天斗地更是其乐无穷。人性讨厌风险,所以小赚就跑,小赔时却不忍割肉;人发财心太急,所以下注大,赔光也快;人好自以为是,所以执著于自己的分析,忽略了股票真实的走向;人好跟风,所以常常丢掉自己的原则;人好报复,所以犹如赌徒一般,输了一手,下一手下注就加倍,再输,再加倍,于是剔光头的时间又加快了。
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回复 #25 hmjj 的帖子
謝謝你!!!教會我很多東西!!
其實還有很多投資方法!!
你又想過,儅股票跌的時候,你能賺錢的方法嗎??
我的師傅又教我哦!!
所以這次賺了不少!!多謝他!!
其實遇貴人也很重要的!!
我就遇到了!!
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发表于 10-8-2007 12:20 PM
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知道玩期货输钱的方式吗?
嬴8次,
输二次(是很够力那种〕 |
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