尼泊尔22日珠峰基地营(EBC & GOKYO)徒步日记 <<完成>>

stephenling

回复 479# mantaray

当然不是所谓的临时抱佛脚, 而是心肺慢慢适应高海拔的效果
空有体力, 但心肺不能适应也是徒然的
心脏突然疾速跳动的情形会减低

我也不相信从来没有运动的人敢去冒险 ...

stephenling

回复 478# 探险家

memory card不是问题 ... 现在的8G和16G的SD card很便宜呀

如果是DSLR, 可以用hand-grip battery, 放6颗AA (panasonic lithium 的) 应该
可以应付上千多张照片吧

不然, 可以使用AA battery的DC (好像fujifilm的HS20) 和DSLR
我去时是用pentax K100D, 没有这样的问题
所以AA battery 是outdoor trekking最好的良伴 ...

mantaray

回复 481# stephenling

哈哈， 我可能誤會了。。。
因為你之前提到
“其实从Jiri走是练体力和适应最好的方法
7到8天后到Namche, 你的适应能力和耐力不是一般人可以相比的”

我本身的經驗是從 從3000m 到4000m 還好。。。
4000m 過後每一次的上升都覺得心肺壓力的辛苦。。。
所以減壓天真的很重要。。。
但是覺得如果從 jiri 上到 namche在低海拔是不能體驗這種壓力的。。。
所以以為你上面說的是那7-8天當做訓練’體力‘的熱身。。。

ps: 我也之前plan 過從 jiri 開始爬。。。但還是覺得多一天在山里多一天有風險和受傷的機會， 所以最後還是選 lukla 啟程， 先完成到達ebc 的夢才能走多少走多少。。。我全程自助自己有負重15kg， 去那邊只找會說英文的 porter， 全程路線自己決定。。。所以每天的挑戰不知生理還有心理。。。走chola pass 時遇大風雪。。。過後回想起來都覺得是太冒險了。。。

stephenling

回复 483# mantaray

其实这方面的资料是从外国mountain trekking forum 里拿到的
还有许多个人的实际的经历, 还有lonely planet那里对everest trekking的评估等事例
头头几天的1500m 到 2000m 是对身体的"热身"
后面的几天由2000m 到 3500m 是对心肺的适应
那些从Jiri开始的, 不需要在Namche加上适应日的

很多人飞进Lukla开始到Tengboche时, 身体接受不到突然的"shock", 不能立刻适应 ...

不过每个人体质不同, 适应也不同

我是在Khumjung Village感应到轻微的头疼和心脏剧烈蹦跳 ... 过后就没有事

好的天气是成功的一半 .... 这是很重要的
我去时就是没有好的天气 ...有点气

探险家

回复  mantaray

当然不是所谓的临时抱佛脚, 而是心肺慢慢适应高海拔的效果
空有体力, 但心肺不能适应也 ...
stephenling 发表于 6-7-2011 07:46 PM

我爬神山时就是遇到类似的问题, 体力很强, 可是上到3500m就开始心脏突然疾速跳动.....

回复 探险家

memory card不是问题 ... 现在的8G和16G的SD card很便宜呀

如果是DSLR, 可以用hand-gr ...
stephenling 发表于 6-7-2011 07:54 PM

Canon 600D/650D (还没买 ), Batt Grip BG-E8 好像要RM4XX-RM7XX, 值得买吗?

探险家

stephenling 大哥, 请问你是不是和这个Agent拿Package的? http://allnepal.com/nepal/fixed_departure.php

现在有两个行程, 麻烦给点意见和帮我看看:

Plan A: (http://allnepal.com/nepal/trekking_everest_base_camp.php)


Day 01: Transfer to airport for Kathmandu / Lukla flight (45 minute flight). Arrive Lukla and start trek to Phakding (2610 m.) – approx. 2 to 3 hrs walk
Day 02: Phakding / Namche Bazaar (3446 m.) – approx. 5 to 6 hrs walk
Day 03: Rest/ acclimatization in Namche Bazaar
Day 04: Namche Bazaar / Tyengboche (3867 m.) – approx. 4 to 5 hrs walk
Day 05: Tengboche / Dingboche (4343 m.) – approx. 4 to 5 hrs walk
Day 06: Dingboche / Chhukung (4730 m) – approx. 2 to 3 hrs walk
Day 07: Chhukung / Khangma La BC (5000 m) – approx. 4 hrs walk
Day 08: Cross Khangma La pass (5535 m) and trek to Lobuche (4930m) – approx. 6 to 7 hrs walk
Day 09: Lobuche / Everest Base Camp / Gorak Shep (5140 m.) – approx. 7 to 8 hrs walk
Day 10: Excursion to Kalapatthar (5545 m.) return to Dzongla (4830 m.) – approx 6 to 7 hrs walk
Day 11: Cross Cho-La pass (5330 m.) descend to Thagnag Kharka (5025 m.) – approx 8 to 9 hrs walk
Day 12: Thagnag Kharka / Gokyo (4790 m) – approx 3 hrs walk
Day 13: Excursion to Gokyo Ri (5357 m.) and back to Gokyo
Day 14: Cross the Renjo La (5345 m) and trek to Langden in the Thame valley - approx 6 to 7 hrs walk
Day 15: Langden / Thame - approx 4 hrs walk
Day 16: Thame / Namche Bazaar (3446m) - approx 4 to 5 hrs walk
Day 17: Namche Bazaar / Lukla (2840 m.) - approx 7 hrs walk
Day 18: Fly back to Kathmandu. Upon arrival, meet and transfer to hotel.

探险家

Plan B: (http://www.friendshiptrek.com/index.php)

Day 01: Meet at Kathmandu Airport:
We will meet you at the Kathmandu Tribhuvan International Airport and
transfer you to your hotel.
Day 02: Flight from KTM – Lukla (2860m). Trek to Phakding (2652m) about 4
and half hour working. After having a 35 minutes flight to lulkla you start
your trek and following a gentle climb up the mountain side on the left
bank of the Dudh Koshi River. One the way you will have a view of Kusum
Kangaru, Mt Kwondge and you will pass a few tea houses and Mani walls.
Overnight in Phakding
Days 3: Phakding to Namche (3,440m) - Beginning with a slight climb to
Jhorsalle, the trail passes a waterfall. All day, we pass villages
interspersed with magnificent forest- rhododendron, magniolia trees and
giant firs. And on the way to walking you will be rewarded (weather
permitting) your first glimpse of Kusum Kanggru (6369m) Thamserku (6608m)
Everest (8848m) and Nuptse (7879 m). A steep climb up to the beautiful
village of Namche Bazaar (3440m).
Days 4: Acclimatization day in Namche. Acclimatization is most important
before proceeding to a higher elevation. It is therefore recommended that
you take a short days hike to Thame, Khunde or Khumjung or relax and
explore the sherpa culture of Namche.
Day 05: Namche Bazzar to Thame (3820m).
Today we will trek about 5 to 5 and half hours to Thame, Thame is at the
end of Khumbu Valley and iconic value of Thame is its terrain the people
which are untouched by the effects of modern civilization. During the
working we will past a large a large array of prayer flags, Chorten and the
carved mani stones.
Day 06: Thame to Lungdeng (4500m)
Today we will walk about 5 to 5 and half hour to Lungden, mostly up hill,,
the trails pass by many old, walled Sherpa villages. During the walking you
can observe varieties of plants and animals with unique Sherpa culture. We
can probable also share the trail with Tibetan Yak Canavans, trading en
route to and from Namche to Tibet with the villagers. We will stay in
simple lodge at Lungden
Day 07: Rest day and explore around: Today we can go for visit at Nakpa
Valley, which falls on the old trade route to Tibet. Hiking to
Darkyachhulung Peak. Visiting Marlung sacred site of warfield. Hiking to
Lake Cho Relmo, Back to stay in Lungden at very simple guest house.
Day 8: Lungden – Renjola Pass (5415m) – Gokyo Lake :
Today the walking will be about 6 hours to reach the Gokyo lake by crossing
Renjo La pass (5415m), the trail often follow steeply ups and down with
sandy ridge. We will
crosses frozen stream, and walking through dramatic rock, we will past
several yak kharkas and twin Renjo Lakes, the view from the top is
incredible, you can have studding view of 7000 to 8000 metes peaks all
around including Kalapathar, Tengboche Monastery, chola glaciers and many
more. Overnight at Gokyo lake.
Days 9 : Gokyo Lake explore around: The excursion to the Gokyo peak
usually starts early in the morning. The climb is quite steep first 30
minutes, it will take you an hour to reach the top with its traditional
prayer flags. From where you will have a magnificent view of highest peaks,
from the west to east are Cho you (8,153m), Gyachung Kang (7,922m), Everest
( 8848m), Lhotse (8,501m) and further way Makalu, On the way to descent you
can enjoy, superb view of Gokyo Lake.
Days 10: Gokyo Lake to Thangnak: we will cross Gokyo glacier, about 4 hour
working down to Thangnak. (4700m)
Days 11: Cho-La crossing- Dzongla: The trek through Cho La Pass (5,330m),
while this is a rather difficult route, requires some mountaineering
experience and well equipped. We suggest bringing warm clothing and some
extra food. The pass is not difficult but it is steep and involves a
glacier crossing. There are no technical problems and there is a trail in
the rocks besides the icefall.
Days 12: Dzongla to Lobuche: about 4 and half hour slowly working to
Lobuche (4910m) on the way you can see Dughla Lake.
Days 13: Lobuche to Gorakshep (5,140m) - The trail from Lobuche follows the
grassy ablation valley with great views of Pumori then crosses tributary
glaciers to reach the dry lake bed of Gokrakchep. After having a lunch in
Gorakshep, we then climb the 5545m Kala Patthar for incredible views of
Everest and Everest base camp and back to Gorakchep.
Days 14: Gorekshep to Everest Base Camp and back to Lobuche - Early morning
we walk to Everest Base Camp, visit base camp area and work down to Lobuche.
Days 15: Lobuche to - Khongma La Pass (5535m) – Chhukung (4900m) 8/9 hrs,
today will be the longest and difficult day
Days 16: Chhukung to Tengboche : From Chhukung we descend the valley of the
Imja Khola, trek through the village of Dingboche with its stone walled
potatoe fields, down alpine pastures through the kharkas of Tsura, Orsho
and Shomare to the village of Pangboche, the highest year round settlement
in the valley. The Pangboche Gompa (monastery) is the oldest in the Khumbu
and once used to boast the skull and hand of a Yeti, (stolen in 1991)
Days 17: Tengboche to Namche: From Tengboche the trail drops sharply down
to the Dudh Kosi and the village of Phunki, where we cross the river, and
up toward Namche Bazaar, winding high above the river with views north
towards Everest, Lhotse and Nuptse
Days 18: Namche to Lukla
Days 20: Flight: Lukla - Ktm , hotel

Plan A Vs Plan B, 哪一个比较好?

Agent A (http://allnepal.com/index.php) Vs Agent B (http://www.friendshiptrek.com/index.php) ?

stephenling

回复 487# 探险家

相机需要看个人
一粒650D, 加镜头和Battery, 不轻哦, 挂在脖子走, 不容易

我会带一架DSLR, 加上一颗spare battery (如果不是AA型的)
另外还会带一架DC做后备, 比如Canon PowerShot SX130 IS (用AA的)
还可以录HD video等, 已经很够了

我是用nature trail的
A package会比较好, 因为高度上升比较慢 ... 而且容易临时改变路线
B package是没有退路的, 只要你研究清楚应该明白我在讲什么
问题是你是一个人?还是一个group?还是join其他的group?

如果是一个人, 那么就不需要指定一个"fixed"行程
只需要一个概念就够了, 听自己的身体状况来走
如果你要走high pass的trail, 18天的配套太赶了, 除非你很"牛", 当然, 我不是看不起你
只是在山里的变化太大, 给自己一个比较轻松的行程会比较好, 加多两三天做spare
因为除了体力, 天气也是影响行程的
到时可能不能过pass, 在kalaphatar看不到everest, 在Lukla等不到飞机
这些都发生在我的行程里, 所以需要spare days 来应付

探险家

回复  探险家

相机需要看个人
一粒650D, 加镜头和Battery, 不轻哦, 挂在脖子走, 不容易

我会带一架 ...
stephenling 发表于 7-7-2011 12:58 AM

没办法, 一生一次而已, 所以准备比较好一点的Camera, 我还会带原本的Canon G10做后备.....

我很大机会是一个人去.....

上面的18天只是一个路线, 我肯定会用多几天来休息和适应, 现在只是在确定路线而已.....

travel916

探险家大大，请问你是几时去nepal呢？已经订了机票？

mantaray

大大探險家。。。。我也選 plan A。。。
我走的前13天跟plan A 同路線。。。
到了 gokyo 後， 因為之前 chola pass 的陰影， 加上同伴真的放棄了， 要趕下山，
所以我也不捨的斬掉 renjo pass 直接 hut 下 namche...
如果你真的要省錢， 真的不需要給 agent 包。。。自己走絕對沒問題。。。

探险家

探险家大大，请问你是几时去nepal呢？已经订了机票？
travel916 发表于 7-7-2011 11:22 AM

还没, 我还在等Airasia和Canon 650D.....  这一年半内一定行动, 不是今年年尾就是明年年尾 .....  其实时间上最好是明年March - May, 可是又好像听说什么雾的问题, 所以看不到Everest, 希望懂的人进来给点意见.....

大大探險家。。。。我也選 plan A。。。
我走的前13天跟plan A 同路線。。。
到了 gokyo 後， 因為之前 c ...
mantaray 发表于 7-7-2011 12:03 PM

我比较想要方便.....  看来还是自己一个人去比较好, 不用迁就别人.....

stephenling

回复 491# mantaray

老板, 放些照片来吧
我去时很多地方错过了, 天气不好, 也看不清楚, 有点不甘心

stephenling

回复 492# 探险家
不能确定几时会起雾气
就算五月或十一月, 都是一样的
我回来后的第四天, 一架飞机因大雾失事在Lukla ... 那时是十月多
而且我还在Lukla呆了一天等飞机, 算很幸运, 有人曾经等一个星期

最佳时间是 4, 5, 10和11月 ... 也是最多人的时候

可以先去lonely planet的forum里看看Nepal和everest trekking, 3 passes, etc 的课题 ...

travel916

还没, 我还在等Airasia和Canon 650D.....  这一年半内一定行动, 不是今年年尾就是明年年尾 ..... ...
探险家 发表于 7-7-2011 02:37 PM

我也是计划在今年尾或是明年，不晓得airasia几时会飞nepal呢？也在想着要去Annapurna 还是 EBC。。。

探险家

我也是计划在今年尾或是明年，不晓得airasia几时会飞nepal呢？也在想着要去Annapurna 还是 EBC。。。
travel916 发表于 7-7-2011 11:47 PM

你慢慢考虑吧.....

我也是为了要选EBC或Annapurna而头痛几个星期.....

很想今年去, 可是又想等买了Canon 650D才去, 要慢慢等了, 还要一年三个月.....

vince8383

回复 462# 探险家


    Nepal Visa 是可以自己到KL 的泥泊尔大使馆申请。

vince8383

LZ的照片让我好像又回到喜玛拉亚雅山区了。。。
照片真的是一级棒！游记也很详细。给你十个赞！！
刚好最近徒步瘾又发作到很难忍的地步，所以就挖到了你的游记来解瘾。

探险家

回复  探险家


    Nepal Visa 是可以自己到KL 的泥泊尔大使馆申请。
vince8383 发表于 9-7-2011 12:36 PM

旅行社可以代办吗?

mantaray

回复 499# 探险家


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