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发表于 5-9-2021 08:40 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 08:07 PM
現在duit now 只需電話號碼。

又,你說到洗黑錢,我又突然想到人家會不會在洗黑錢?
拿了你的銀行號,將黑錢進入你的賬號,
再叫你回到錢,就算少些也無所謂(當佣金)
那他拿到的就是白錢。
又,若一個人 ...

DuitNow,就算只使用电话号码,汇款者的名字会出现在收款者户口的交易记录里。这点我试过了!只要登入网络银行查询,就能查到汇款者的名字。

转账至错误户口的那个人是否洗黑钱,我不知道。但是,如果真的是黑钱,收款者动用这笔钱,也可以被控上庭。根据法律,最高十五年监禁。

至于你最后那段问题,我不知道如何回答。我不是律师,我是在读了相关法令之后,才在这里回复。或许,当收款者被告上法庭之后,他可以问法官相关问题。
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TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 08:40 PM
DuitNow,就算只使用电话号码,汇款者的名字会出现在收款者户口的交易记录里。这点我试过了!只要登入网络银行查询,就能查到汇款者的名字。

转账至错误户口的那个人是否洗黑钱,我不知道。但是,如果真的是黑 ...

我經常網購也經常申請退款,
講眞,如果匯款人不備註,我眞不知道是誰退款的,只記得amount。

又,金融問題除非有人報案,一般問題執法都不會理會的。

多少國人國外炒crypto運回大筆資金,執法單位會注意的又有多少?
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发表于 5-9-2021 08:56 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 08:07 PM
現在duit now 只需電話號碼。

又,你說到洗黑錢,我又突然想到人家會不會在洗黑錢?
拿了你的銀行號,將黑錢進入你的賬號,
再叫你回到錢,就算少些也無所謂(當佣金)
那他拿到的就是白錢。
又,若一個人 ...

你真的认为,这样转账可以洗钱?   太容易了吧
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发表于 5-9-2021 09:06 PM | 显示全部楼层
tboontan 发表于 5-9-2021 08:56 PM
你真的认为,这样转账可以洗钱?   太容易了吧

你不懂世上有一種東西叫借戶口的嗎?
借你戶口接受一筆錢,再轉到另一個account。

bnm要凍結的就只凍結你的account。
被接受的另一個account是空殼,錢到就被清空。

如果你敢接受offer,可以試試的,
但別出貓膩,那些人不是善類。




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发表于 5-9-2021 09:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 08:55 PM
我經常網購也經常申請退款,
講眞,如果匯款人不備註,我眞不知道是誰退款的,只記得amount。

又,金融問題除非有人報案,一般問題執法都不會理會的。

多少國人國外炒crypto運回大筆資金,執法單位會注意的 ...

我不知道你在哪个网站购物。就假设是Lazada或Shopee吧!据我所知,Lazada和Shopee在你付款之后不会立刻把款项给商家,而是等到过了申请退款的期限之后才让商家取款。

如果是duitnow、电子钱包转账、银行户口转账等,交易记录都会出现汇款者的名字。

又,金融問題除非有人報案,一般問題執法都不會理會的。

多少國人國外炒crypto運回大筆資金,執法單位會注意的又有多少?


你诺不怕,坚持要用你所收到的钱,我也没有办法。我只能对你说四个字:“回头是岸”。如果有一天,你被控上法庭,甚至被法官判有罪,不要后悔。
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发表于 5-9-2021 09:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 09:06 PM
你不懂世上有一種東西叫借戶口的嗎?
借你戶口接受一筆錢,再轉到另一個account。

bnm要凍結的就只凍結你的account。
被接受的另一個account是空殼,錢到就被清空。

如果你敢接受offer,可以試試的,
但 ...

你可以报案,而不是使用那笔钱。
如果那笔钱是黑钱,你又使用那笔钱,你就触犯了法律。

Sungai Buloh“大酒店”,安华住过的“酒店”,应该会欢迎你。
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发表于 5-9-2021 09:49 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 08:55 PM
我經常網購也經常申請退款,
講眞,如果匯款人不備註,我眞不知道是誰退款的,只記得amount。

又,金融問題除非有人報案,一般問題執法都不會理會的。

多少國人國外炒crypto運回大筆資金,執法單位會注意的 ...

这个回复,只是让您看一下相关法律。

Penal Code (Act 574) 第403条文:https://lom.agc.gov.my/ilims/upload/portal/akta/LOM/EN/Penal%20Code%20ACT%20574%20-%20TP%20LULUS%2021_2_2018.pdf

403. Whoever dishonestly misappropriates, or converts to his own
use, or causes any other person to dispose of, any property, shall be
punished with imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than
six months and not more than five years and with whipping and shall
also be liable to fine.


ILLUSTRATIONS
(a) A takes property belonging to Z out of Z’s possession, in good faith,
believing, at the time when he takes it, that the property belongs to
himself. A is not guilty of theft; but if A, after discovering his mistake,
dishonestly appropriates the property to his own use, he is guilty of an
offence under this section.
(b) A, being on friendly terms with Z, goes into Z’s house in Z’s
absence and takes away a book without Z’s express consent. Here, if A
was under the impression that he had Z’s implied consent to take the book
for the purpose of reading it, A has not committed theft. But if A
afterwards sells the book for his own benefit, he is guilty of an offence
under this section.
(c) A and B being joint owners of a horse, A takes the horse out of B’s
possession, intending to use it. Here, as A has a right to use the horse,
he does not dishonestly misappropriate it. But if A sells the horse and
appropriates the whole proceeds to his own use, he is guilty of an offence
under this section.
Explanation 1—A dishonest misappropriation for a time only is a
misappropriation within the meaning of this section.


ILLUSTRATION
A finds a Government promissory note belonging to Z, bearing a blank
endorsement. A, knowing that the note belongs to Z, pledges it with a banker as
a security for a loan, intending at a future time to restore it to Z. A has
committed an offence under this section.
Explanation 2—A person who finds property not in the possession of any
other person, and takes such property for the purpose of protecting it for, or of
restoring it to the owner, does not take or misappropriate it dishonestly, and is
not guilty of an offence; but he is guilty of the offence above defined, if he
appropriates it to his own use, when he knows or has the means of
discovering the owner, or before he has used reasonable means to discover and
give notice to the owner, and has kept the property a reasonable time to enable
the owner to claim it.
What are reasonable means, or what is a reasonable time in such a case, is
a question of fact.
It is not necessary that the finder should know who is the owner of
the property, or that any particular person is the owner of it; it is sufficient if, at
the time of appropriating it, he does not believe it to be his own property, or in
good faith believes that the real owner cannot be found.


(a) A finds a ringgit on the high road, not knowing to whom the ringgit
belongs. A picks up the ringgit. Here A has not committed the offence
defined in this section.
(b) A finds a letter on the high road, containing a bank note. From the
direction and contents of the letter he learns to whom the note
belongs. He appropriates the note. He is guilty of an offence under this
section.
(c) A finds a cheque payable to bearer. He can form no conjecture as to the
person who has lost the cheque. But the name of the person who has
drawn the cheque appears. A knows that this person can direct him to the
person in whose favour the cheque was drawn. A appropriates the cheque
without attempting to discover the owner. He is guilty of an offence under
this section.
(d) A sees Z drop his purse with money in it. A picks up the purse with the
intention of restoring it to Z, but afterwards appropriates it to his own use.
A has committed an offence under this section.
(e) A finds a purse with money, not knowing to whom it belongs; he
afterwards discovers that it belongs to Z, and appropriates it to his own
use. A is guilty of an offence under this section.
(f) A finds a valuable ring, not knowing to whom it belongs. A sells it
immediately without attempting to discover the owner. A is guilty of an
offence under this section.


2001年反洗黑钱、反恐怖主义融资及反非法活动收益法令第4条文:https://lom.agc.gov.my/ilims/upload/portal/akta/LOM/EN/ACT%20613%20diluluskan%20TPPUU%20Dis%202015.pdf

4. (1) Any person who—
(a) engages, directly or indirectly, in a transaction that
involves proceeds of an unlawful activity or
instrumentalities of an offence;
(b) acquires, receives, possesses, disguises, transfers,
converts, exchanges, carries, disposes of or uses proceeds
of an unlawful activity or instrumentalities of an offence;
(c) removes from or brings into Malaysia, proceeds of an
unlawful activity or instrumentalities of an offence; or
(d) conceals, disguises or impedes the establishment of the
true nature, origin, location, movement, disposition, title
of, rights with respect to, or ownership of, proceeds of an
unlawful activity or instrumentalities of an offence,

commits a money laundering offence and shall on conviction be
liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fifteen years and
shall also be liable to a fine of not less than five times the sum or
value of the proceeds of an unlawful activity or instrumentalities of
an offence at the time the offence was committed or five million
ringgit, whichever is the higher.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1), it may be inferred from any
objective factual circumstances that—


(a) the person knows, has reason to believe or has reasonable
suspicion that the property is the proceeds of an unlawful
activity or instrumentalities of an offence; or
(b) the person without reasonable excuse fails to take
reasonable steps to ascertain whether or not the property is
the proceeds of an unlawful activity or instrumentalities of
an offence.


(3) For the purposes of any proceedings under this Act, where the
proceeds of an unlawful activity are derived from one or more
unlawful activities, such proceeds need not be proven to be from any
specific unlawful activity.

(4) A person may be convicted of an offence under subsection (1)
irrespective of whether there is a conviction in respect of a serious
offence or foreign serious offence or that a prosecution has been initiated
for the commission of a serious offence or foreign serious offence.


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发表于 5-9-2021 09:56 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
我试过一次,6百多
报警也拿不回
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发表于 5-9-2021 10:13 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 09:13 PM
我不知道你在哪个网站购物。就假设是Lazada或Shopee吧!据我所知,Lazada和Shopee在你付款之后不会立刻把款项给商家,而是等到过了申请退款的期限之后才让商家取款。

如果是duitnow、电子钱包转账、银行户口转 ...

lazada 和 shopee可以【私了】、
就是私底下chatting 妥協,賣家可以即刻就退款。

說到名字,很多人都不知道友人的全名是如何拼寫的。

又,說起法庭找人就氣,法庭找人要親手交傳召信到協助調查者身上才有效。
若那人一直不現身,譬如住址不對,人不見,法庭根本就不能開庭。
理由是當時人不知有此事。
案件可以無期限擱置。
我前公司報警找了一個人五年都找不到人。
電話換了,地址也換了,哪裡找人呢?
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发表于 5-9-2021 10:15 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
就当破财
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发表于 5-9-2021 10:20 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 09:20 PM
你可以报案,而不是使用那笔钱。
如果那笔钱是黑钱,你又使用那笔钱,你就触犯了法律。

Sungai Buloh“大酒店”,安华住过的“酒店”,应该会欢迎你。

你以爲人一個月只收幾筆錢嗎?
每月幾十筆,哪裡懂那個是誰的?
又不是記號的錢幣。

又,銀行還有balance 100K+,你說有用了那筆錢嗎?

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发表于 5-9-2021 10:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 09:49 PM
这个回复,只是让您看一下相关法律。

Penal Code (Act 574) 第403条文:https://lom.agc.gov.my/ilims/upload/portal/akta/LOM/EN/Penal%20Code%20ACT%20574%20-%20TP%20LULUS%2021_2_2018.pdf



2001年反 ...

這個我只能回答【我啥都不知道】。

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发表于 5-9-2021 10:46 PM | 显示全部楼层
真的错了。。。就要还咯。。。
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发表于 5-9-2021 11:16 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 10:24 PM
這個我只能回答【我啥都不知道】。

去跟法官说。
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发表于 5-9-2021 11:22 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 10:20 PM
你以爲人一個月只收幾筆錢嗎?
每月幾十筆,哪裡懂那個是誰的?
又不是記號的錢幣。

又,銀行還有balance 100K+,你說有用了那筆錢嗎?

这些话,留在法庭上慢慢跟法官说。
法律是这样子,我也没办法!

但是,为了对付那些涉及洗黑钱的社会败类,绝对有必要让洗黑钱罪更容易入罪。

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发表于 5-9-2021 11:27 PM | 显示全部楼层

那就等法庭的傳召信,或許需要一百年。

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发表于 5-9-2021 11:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 10:13 PM
lazada 和 shopee可以【私了】、
就是私底下chatting 妥協,賣家可以即刻就退款。

說到名字,很多人都不知道友人的全名是如何拼寫的。

又,說起法庭找人就氣,法庭找人要親手交傳召信到協助調查者身上才有 ...

如果你没用那笔钱,而且有报案记录,就算被控洗黑钱罪,这两点可以帮到你。但是,如果是黑钱,而你没有报案,又把钱花了,被控洗黑钱罪,准备住进牢房。
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发表于 5-9-2021 11:40 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 11:22 PM
这些话,留在法庭上慢慢跟法官说。
法律是这样子,我也没办法!

但是,为了对付那些涉及洗黑钱的社会败类,绝对有必要让洗黑钱罪更容易入罪。

法庭能傳召到人上庭才來說吧。

洗黑錢的也可以用錢脫身,bnm只要你繳足稅,什麼話都有得講。
要記得,洗黑錢的都是江湖老手,對法律漏洞最熟悉不過。
現在最瘋狂的洗錢是虛擬貨幣市場,

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发表于 5-9-2021 11:42 PM | 显示全部楼层
TMNUTsucks 发表于 5-9-2021 11:36 PM
如果你没用那笔钱,而且有报案记录,就算被控洗黑钱罪,这两点可以帮到你。但是,如果是黑钱,而你没有报案,又把钱花了,被控洗黑钱罪,准备住进牢房。

如實報稅,收入繳稅,有問題嗎?

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发表于 11-9-2021 03:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
FundMania 发表于 5-9-2021 01:07 PM
有个问题,有过账记录吗?
我也可以说我错进了一笔钱给你,你要退给我吗?我进了500,你只需退100就可以了。

人家是应该没show出来,不然还怎么去花掉那笔钱,你动一动脑
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