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发表于 20-6-2023 06:26 PM | 显示全部楼层
有人慘敗發爛渣....
我也該收工了. 拜拜!




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发表于 20-6-2023 06:30 PM | 显示全部楼层
這圖就清楚展示, BMS是要和motor 的power train controller 透過CAN network來溝通,
另一個就是也要和ECU溝通, ECU則摘取Energy Demand controller的資料................

總的來說, 要把Motor與battery 發揮最大的效率與效能,
ECU, Power Train Controller, Energy Demand Controller, BMS都要不停的相互合作!



连什么是BMS都不知道,就一直在那里说电机。

连最主要的基本功能是做什么的都说不出来!

Functions of the BMS

Fitting an EV with a BMS can improve safety. The battery management system performs the following four functions:

1. Monitoring battery parameters

This is the primary function of a BMS. It monitors the state of a cell as represented by parameters such as:

Voltage—indicates a cell’s total voltage, the battery’s combined voltage, maximum and minimum cell voltages, and so on.

Temperature—displays the average cell temperature, coolant intake and output temperatures, and the overall battery temperature.

The state of charge of the cell to show the battery’s charge level.

The cell’s state of health—shows the remaining battery capacity as a percentage of the original capacity.

The cell’s state of power——shows the amount of power available for a certain duration given the current usage, temperature, and other factors.

The cell’s state of safety——determined by keeping a collective eye on all the parameters and determining if using the cell poses any danger.

The flow of coolant and its speed.

The flow of current into and out of the cell.

2. Managing thermal temperatures

Temperature is the biggest factor affecting a battery. The battery’s thermal management system keeps an eye on and controls the temperature of the battery. These systems can either be passive or active, and the cooling medium can either be a non-corrosive liquid, air, or some form of phase change. Using air as a coolant is the simplest way to control battery temperatures.

Air cooling systems are often passive as they rely on the convection of the surrounding air or use a fan to induce airflow. However, the main drawback is the system’s inefficiency. Significant power is used to run the cooling system as compared to a liquid-based one. Also, in larger systems such as car batteries, the additional components needed for air-based systems such as filters can increase the weight of the car, further affecting the battery’s efficiency.

Liquid-cooled systems have a higher cooling potential than air because they are more thermally conductive. The batteries are submerged in coolant, or the coolant can freely flow into the BMS without affecting the battery. However, this indirect form of thermal cooling can create large temperature differences across the BMS due to the length of the cooling channels. But they can be reduced by pumping the coolant faster, so a tradeoff is created between the pumping speed and thermal consistency.

3. Making key calculations

A BMS calculates various battery values based on parameters such as maximum charge and discharge current to determine the cell’s charge and the discharge current limits. These include:

The energy in kilowatt-hour(s) (kWh) delivered since the last charge cycle

The internal impedance of a battery to measure the cell’s open-circuit voltage

Charge in Ampere per hour (Ah) delivered or contained in a cell (called the Coulomb counter), to determine the cell’s efficiency

Total energy delivered and operating time since the battery started being used

Total number of charging-discharging cycles the battery has gone through

4. Facilitating internal and external communication

A BMS has controllers that communicate internally with the hardware at a cellular level and externally with connected devices. These external communications differ in complexity, depending on the connected device. This communication is often through a centralized controller, and it can be done using several methods, including:

Different types of serial communications

CAN bus communicators, often used in vehicles

DC-BUS communications, which are serial communications over power lines

Various types of wireless communication including radio, pagers, cellphones, and so on.

Only a high-level voltage BMS has internal communication; low-level centralized ones simply measure cell voltage by resistance divide. A distributed or modular BMS must utilize a low-level internal cell controller for modular architecture or implement controller-to-controller communication for a distributed architecture. However, such communication is difficult, especially in high voltage systems, due to the voltage shift between cells. What this means is that the ground signal in one cell may be hundreds of volts higher than that of the next cell.

This issue can be addressed using software protocols or using hardware communication for volt-shifting systems. There are two methods of hardware communication—using an optical-isolator or wireless communication. Another factor hampering internal communication is the restriction of the maximum number of cells that can be used in a specific BMS architectural layout. For instance, for modular hardware, the maximum number of nodes is 255. Another restriction affecting high voltage systems is the seeking time (for reading voltage/current) of all cells, which limits bus speeds and causes loss of some hardware options.

Optimal Energy Utilization

Battery management systems keep the battery safe, reliable, and increase the senility without entering a damaging state. Different monitoring techniques are used to maintain the state of the battery, voltage, current, and ambient temperature. The BMS communicates with the onboard charger to monitor and control the charging of the battery pack. It also helps maximize the range of the vehicle by optimally using the amount of energy stored in it. It is a crucial component in electric vehicles to ensure that batteries do not get overcharged or over discharged, thus avoiding damage to the battery and harm to occupants.

The battery is a fundamental component of the electric vehicle, which represents a step forward toward sustainable mobility. The battery management system is a critical component of electric and hybrid electric vehicles. Its chief purpose is to ensure safe and reliable battery operation. As an engineering services provider, Cyient works closely with industry experts through our focus areas of megatrends—Sustainable Energy Solutions and Electrification.



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发表于 20-6-2023 06:35 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SuperKedah 于 20-6-2023 06:38 PM 编辑
tuaceng 发表于 20-6-2023 06:30 PM
连什么是BMS都不知道,就一直在那里说电机。

连最主要的基本功能是做什么的都说不出来!

bms6.jpg

這個是甚麼, 你google的文章都沒談到
詳細的部份...哈! 哈! 哈!



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发表于 20-6-2023 06:38 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SuperKedah 于 20-6-2023 06:40 PM 编辑
tuaceng 发表于 20-6-2023 06:30 PM
连什么是BMS都不知道,就一直在那里说电机。

连最主要的基本功能是做什么的都说不出来!
A BMS has controllers that communicate internally with the hardware at a cellular level and
externally with connected devices.

幫你貼出來.....和外界connected作甚麼用? 就是和外界聯手管控電機系統.

都說你看不懂了, 還拼命google,
現在自打自臉很好玩哦!


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发表于 20-6-2023 06:48 PM | 显示全部楼层
一體有兩個大功能, 怎樣? 不就證明我是對的, 電機不一樣, BYD根本不可能去抄用Tesla的專利,
對電池管理....大家用的電池和Tesla 又不一樣, 電池管理也不可能一樣!
抄Tesla專利只是一個惡意傳聞!
因此, 我證明了, Tesla 在這部份的專利, 對中國企業毫無用處, 而你的說法:



错错错,BMS的主要用途,比如以下

(1)电池端电压的测量
(2)单体电池间的能量均衡:
即为单体电池均衡充电,使电池组中各个电池都达到均衡一致的状态。均衡技术是世界正在致力研究与开发的一项电池能量管理系统的关键技术。
(3)电池组总电压测量
(4)电池组总电流测量
(5)SOC计算
准确估测动力电池组的荷电状态 (State of Charge,即SOC),即电池剩余电量,保证SOC维持在合理的范 围内,防止由于过充电或过放电对电池的损伤,
(6)动态监测动力电池组的工作状态:
在电池充放电过程中,实时采集电池组中的每块电池的端电压和温度、充放电电流及电池包总电压,防止电池发生过充电或过放电现象。
(7)实时数据显示
(8)数据记录及分析
同时挑选出有问题的电池,保持整组电池运行的可靠性和高效性。
(9)通讯组网功能


一直在那里说电机不同,所以BMS不同,简直是3岁小孩都比你会啦!
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发表于 20-6-2023 06:53 PM | 显示全部楼层
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 06:38 PM
幫你貼出來.....和外界connected作甚麼用? 就是和外界聯手管控電機系統.

都說你看不懂了, 還拼命google, ...

看来你真的不知道我放出来这个文章的目的是什么。
目的就是指出就是BMS有大量的功能,就连硬体沟通,你的电机只是其中一个硬体而已,不会因为你连接的一粒电机不同,就整个tesla BMS其他的设计和功能不能被其他电动车跟从!
都說你看不懂了, 還拼命google,
現在自打自臉很好玩哦!


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发表于 20-6-2023 06:57 PM | 显示全部楼层
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 06:35 PM
這個是甚麼, 你google的文章都沒談到
詳細的部份...哈! 哈! 哈!

电机,在communication里不过是其中一个device而已,还有很多device的communication都被你漏掉啦!
然后,放了整个图,就是表示,有大量功能,是可以被其他电动车跟从的,你只会看一个电机,这个就是所谓的瞎子摸象!


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发表于 20-6-2023 07:04 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SuperKedah 于 20-6-2023 07:05 PM 编辑

bms5.jpg

一圖就足以打臉tuacXng.....
打完收工.....哈! 哈! 哈!...今晚一夜好眠!




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发表于 20-6-2023 07:24 PM | 显示全部楼层
byd是用自己igbt独有的系统
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发表于 20-6-2023 07:28 PM | 显示全部楼层
dalap 发表于 20-6-2023 02:59 PM
就算是自己先开始,如果后继不力,也被赶上。

任何行业都一样。

就是嘛,就好比那个发明电脑的华裔后来还是给apple给挂了。。


有专利不会发展一样babique。
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发表于 20-6-2023 09:50 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tuaceng 于 20-6-2023 09:58 PM 编辑
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 07:04 PM
一圖就足以打臉tuacXng.....
打完收工.....哈! 哈! 哈!...今晚一夜好眠!

问题是,这个图画连你自己都看不懂,画都画错呢!
该图明明很浅白的解释给你了,你都看不懂,画都画错,写也写错!

还是不要丢人现眼啦!老古董不适合现代社会,还是回老人院养老好了!


打完收工.....哈! 哈! 哈!...今晚一夜好眠!


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发表于 20-6-2023 10:12 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SuperKedah 于 20-6-2023 10:25 PM 编辑
tuaceng 发表于 20-6-2023 09:50 PM
问题是,这个图画连你自己都看不懂,画都画错呢!
该图明明很浅白的解释给你了,你都看不懂,画都画错,写 ...

你連基本的電機電路圖都看不懂...
只會憑自己喜好胡亂畫一通....哈! 哈! 哈!...
一圖就把你打到屎坑去了!

bms5.jpg

拜拜! 看到你那麼白X, 我會很好睡的....哈! 哈! 哈!


p/s: 不懂電子電機就不懂...死撐有寶嗎? 好白X!



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发表于 20-6-2023 10:21 PM | 显示全部楼层
祈s 发表于 20-6-2023 07:28 PM
就是嘛,就好比那个发明电脑的华裔后来还是给apple给挂了。。

你是說王安嗎? 死在IBM PC 的手上....

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发表于 20-6-2023 10:24 PM 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tuaceng 于 20-6-2023 10:25 PM 编辑
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 10:12 PM
你連基本的電機電路圖都看不懂...
只會憑自己喜好胡亂畫一通....哈! 哈! 哈!...
一圖就把你打到屎坑去了!



你連基本的汽车能源管理圖都看不懂...
还说错是电机电路图
只會憑自己喜好胡亂畫一通....哈! 哈! 哈!...
一圖就把你打到屎坑去了!

拜拜! 我會很好睡的....哈! 哈! 哈!
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发表于 20-6-2023 10:36 PM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SuperKedah 于 20-6-2023 10:37 PM 编辑
祈s 发表于 20-6-2023 07:28 PM
就是嘛,就好比那个发明电脑的华裔后来还是给apple给挂了。。

他是發明磁心記憶體magnetic core memory ......

他的電腦其實是不錯的...七十年代末我曾參與台灣台北市
國家中央圖書館的王安電腦的安裝.....現在這些都應不在了!
它的mini computer 電腦嚴格上不輸IBM 370....
用過都會驚訝它的順滑....UNIX 為底層....上面還加上了王安的中文系統....
王安電腦主打一向是迷你電腦....當PC浪潮興起時, 王安決定不隨波逐流,
所以, 最終王安失敗了!



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发表于 21-6-2023 04:42 AM | 显示全部楼层
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 10:12 PM
你連基本的電機電路圖都看不懂...
只會憑自己喜好胡亂畫一通....哈! 哈! 哈!...
一圖就把你打到屎坑去了!

老柴又拿烂图诈骗了, 别说到好像你能看懂电路图啦, 如果能看得懂当年就不会被日本人当猴耍了, 你自己都承认了, 老人痴呆发作的阿Pek可以进老人院了, 吥吥吥 !



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发表于 21-6-2023 04:48 AM | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lcw9988 于 21-6-2023 04:52 AM 编辑
SuperKedah 发表于 20-6-2023 10:36 PM
他是發明磁心記憶體magnetic core memory ......

他的電腦其實是不錯的...七十年代末我曾參與台灣台北市

笑瓜人了, 七十年代末, 老柴估计已80岁了, 而且只是参与电脑的安裝 ! 怪不得当年只会乱claim公款瞎搞项目!

老柴真不要脸啊 ! 人没有自知之明天下无敌 !

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发表于 21-6-2023 07:09 AM | 显示全部楼层
可喜可贺
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lcw9988 发表于 21-6-2023 04:42 AM
老柴又拿烂图诈骗了, 别说到好像你能看懂电路图啦, 如果能看得懂当年就不会被日本人当猴耍了, 你自己都 ...

老人痴呆画都画错,写都写错,还说这个图叫做电机电路图呢!
明明该图都用很浅白的方式解释了一切,却还自以为是的在上面乱画。

笑死人啦!




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发表于 21-6-2023 07:25 AM | 显示全部楼层
lcw9988 发表于 21-6-2023 04:48 AM
笑瓜人了, 七十年代末, 老柴估计已80岁了, 而且只是参与电脑的安裝 ! 怪不得当年只会乱claim公款瞎搞项目! ...

人家的知识就停留在70年代,因此这些现代的电动车系统,它完全不知道是什么,就把70年代关于汽车的知识apply在EV。

因此这些先进的电池管理系统它不懂,它只会70年代学到的电机知识,就一直在那里讲电机。
那个先进的汽车能源管理图它也看不会,只看懂70年代学到的电机的部分,所以把该图改名成电机电路图了!


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